Mandatory vaccines Will you comply

Shawn, I worked in pharma for over a decade and in not for profit health care since the late 80s. I also read (present tense) the package inserts and routinely spend time trying to stay current with the medical journals. The FDA makes sure that pharma remains the most heavily regulated industry there is. If you have a better way of doing it, please enlighten us. Casting dispersion on the industry that is spending the money they are on risky R and D is unnecessary.
Again–give us a solution. From what I have seen, antivaxers don’t understand science. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6657116/

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Or they weigh all the fact.
What is the disease…
What will it’s affect on me be…
Am I young/strong enough to beat it…
Could I benefit more long term beating the natural strain naturally…
What short cuts did they take to get it out in 6 months…
Etc, etc

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What does it even mean in today’s climate of politicized medicine? They cannot even agree on hydroxychloroquinine, 75 years in use. We have a terrible erosion of trust, people believe US medical and pharma establishment have goals contrary to the public good.

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I believe that I would take that bet, not all of the medical profession has been lost, I still believe in the nightingale oath along with the hiepocratic oath. I agree with Aaron25, antivaxers don’t understand the science and I see no facts substantiated in their data too say otherwise. I agree politicized medicine, socialized medicine, financially centered medicine are not good things. That in itself doesn’t make the art/science of medicine evil. A safe effective vaccine is a good thing . Ask us who survived after the polio pandemic. We must stay united not allowing a global disease to be politically used to degrade our constitutional rights. We need to ask all these questions; discuss at length what is best for our country. Remember what our forefathers sought to build and seek to develop safe Healthcare which is not politicized or commercially swayed. I don’t have the answers, I trust in God to lead us and in Jesus Christ, who has already saved us.

Welcome to the family,from Michigan

If that is the case, someone please explain how you can argue against the QALY savings for these vaccines and their tremendously positive impact on public health.
Shawn mentions MMR and Gardasil.
There is no beating the natural strain of the measles, and it is still the leading cause of preventable death among children worldwide https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6906342/ , and HPV infection gives you a 9:40 chance of developing cancer–vs. preventing it with a vaccine.
I don’t have time to waste on this any more. Best of luck with herd immunity.

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the polio cavinee wasmandatory in the 50’s in schools and saved thousands

Welcome to the family ,god bless, from kansas

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Don’t plan on jumping on the band wagon for taking vaccine. Don’t take any flew vaccine either, never have. Just can’t see pumping who knows what into my system. If it gets me, then it gets me. Have way better things in life to worry about

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Welcome

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After Prez. Trump and Dr. Siegel get the first ones I will get mine. :+1:

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Welcome to the community.

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Exacly. Since 1988–the vaccine has prevented more than 10 million cases of paralysis worldwide (mostly in developing countries).
Not to mention that the AZ vaccine has been halted due to negative side effects.
Does the process of bringing new drugs to markets have flaws? I’m sure it does. But yesterday was an example of how it works as well.

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Do you get a yearly Flu Vaccine? Or are you one of those clowns that feel that is against your Rights to be forced to do that too? I don’t know about you but, I don’t relish spending the rest my life in voluntary self quarantine to protect myself from some lazy paranoid slug because he/she feels his rights are being “trampled on” because of taking a shot. Sorry, but all these conspiracy theories and those that perpetuate them can do without their shot, but only if they are permanently isolated from the rest of society. Yes that is their right, but it is my right to not have to deal with them infecting anyone else with a potentially deadly disease.

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It’s your right, to stay in your home, if you are concerned about what is outside. It is not your right, or the government’s, to require people to put something into their body.
The “normal” vaccines given to kids for school have been around for decades. There’s piles of data showing they are safe, for most children. This vaccine, is a rush job, and untested. If you want it, more power to you. If the rest of us don’t, well, my body my choice.

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Well than I reiterate, if you don’t want to get a simple vaccine then keep yourself separated from the rest of society that get the vaccine or those that can not get or would have an adverse reaction from getting one. Continue to live in your basement and wear your aluminum hat. My right to my safety and the safety of my family outweighs your paranoia.

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And this is where your argument falls apart. This doesn’t follow “science.” Science says that it’s the “survival of the fittest.” If one cannot survive outside, without a vaccine, then they posses the traits that science calls “undesirable.” So, those of us that have no problem/fear of being out among all the things that might have an adverse effect on us, should be willing to do so. Those that are concerned, should shelter themselves, not demand everyone else accommodate them. What is outside, that is worth your life, if you feel it is that dangerous?

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We as a society have dumbed ourselves down to the least common denominator…
We sue if the coffee cup doesnt say hot on it…
It’s the ladder’s fault we didnt see the ‘not a step’ label on the top.
Guns kill, people dont.
We don’t allow winners, only participants, and they all get a trophy…
Of course it falls on society to get shots so that the germaphobics will feel safe…

Sarcasm intended…

Imagine someone being so self righteous that they get a shot, that by definition will provide them immunity, but they still feel compelled to argue that anyone who doesnt get the shot has some kind of a problem.

Get your shot, enjoy your immunity, and get out of my business… any questions? (Not you @45IPAC)

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If you’re vaccinated…what is it you’ll have to deal with? Should be good to go, right?

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Heh, is there place for logic in the medical field?