Lol I’m just confused lol , no one should be your boss either. Unless you’re married to them or sharing a prison cell lol ! ! ! And to whoever If I ever have to do something I can assure you I will have a clear conscience… no matter what
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Deep breath @Mark712, @Mike164 is telling our resident
Summary
holier than thou
pacifist to just stop
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I’ve watched the recording many times. It’ s hard to see what’s happening and even harder to hear what may have been said.
I don’t see anyone slamming anyone’s head against concrete. If that were the case – that is without question deadly force.
Personally, I would not have used deadly force. But I can easily see how deadly force may be warranted in this incident. For example, I’m 5’8", 240 lbs, lifting weights, well versed in martial science. So, I’m not freaking out about getting into a confrontation like that. Hell, I’ve done that – and much worse – and come out on the other side unscathed. I don’t need a gun here and probably would not have reached for one. In fact, had I been there, this whole thing may not have even happened. Personally, I would not have engaged this idiot on this super-hot topic. Protesting, arguing – never solves anything. Waste of time. Furthermore, if I were to go out protesting, which I won’t, I would leave the gun at home. Out protesting and carrying a gun? Looks like you’re looking for trouble. Better hope the jury doesn’t see it that way,
And the worst of it is: you never know who you’re screwing around with. Scott Hayes found out the hard way when this fool charged him. Looks like it blew his mind.
Now, for a smaller person and/or person of ill health, well, that’s a whole new ball game. Imagine the attacked in this scenario was a tiny woman, 4’11", 98 lb. soaking wet. She could cettainly warrant using deadly force here.
Scott Hayes is a fat man, kinda roly-poly, kinda not in good shape, probably not trained in anything except his pistol. Family and friends say he’s a kind, gentle person who does not get into squabbles. No criminal record. It didn’t look like he even tried to fight back. I may welll have pulled the gun were I standing in his shoes that day.
Hayes is released on only $5,000.00 bond. That’s a good sign. The charges will likely be dropped when he goes to court. Gotta wear ankle bracelet and obey a curfew and stay outta messin’ around in public until this gets settled. Understandable. No biggie. That’s normal after a shooting.
What absolutely baffles me about this case is the attacker wasn’t charged at all – for anything! Now, that’s messed up! I think he likely will be however.
I would call this a good shooting. Justified absolutely. Attacker had no business attacking as there was zero threat to him at any time. Attacker f#cked around and found out. Pure and simple.
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I saw this the day it got posted to YouTube. I’m going to be honest, I am completely blown away that he got arrested in the video, you do see him get slammed to the ground and being choked. The part that I saw that I had a question about was the woman who stomped/kicked (insert your action verb of preference), the attacker in the head. But the guy who was attacked, I felt that if it had been me (my reasonable person) would have felt in fear of my life. Maybe the Charging D.A. thinks there were multiple people involved so it didn’t warrant a lethal response. I am agog that the guy who attacked them wasn’t charged.
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This is what I mean about the recordings. So many big and little things that need explanation.
This will be interesting to see played out in court if there’s a trial.
Have to wait and see.
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Hell I never saw any of it! I just thought someone just said it or something. I’d like to see the vid so I can make a less “ ignant response lol. I just love talking about guns and stuff! For 99% of my life I fell asleep thinking about guns and it would be the first thought in my head when waking up.
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Thoughtful comments. I note that the gun didn’t come out until the victim (not the guy who was charged with a crime - the guy who was attacked) was on the ground. That may help with an acquittal, if the judge doesn’t throw the case out of court.
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I think that those of us that have the experience skill and conditioning would absolutely own some punk running at us wrestling us to the ground, I believe I would. That said, a lot of people have no idea what to do when under a physical hands on attack. I suspect those are the folks that might resort to what they “Can Do” which may very well include a firearm.
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If you’re interested in surviving you gotta get plumb mad dog crazy , nut house buku like an animal foaming at the mouth killaaaa!!!
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Yeppers. You gotta smash really hard parts of you into really soft parts of him, or them, or whatever the case may be.
Great thing about being unarmed? You can get away with a lot more.
Boots, fists, knees, elbows, ulna, clubs, bats, chairs, tables, coffee cups, a handful of dirt, tools, silverware drawers full of sharp goodies, meat cleavers, rope, pepper spray, broomsticks, etc. Whatever it takes to stop a threat.
One night in Vegas, these two rival gangs got into it and they were after each other in two cars in the Downtown area. The fight carried over into our rear parking lot outside the rear entrance doors, where one of the cars stopped suddenly. A front passenger got out and ran into the entryway where a porter was mopping some tile. He tore the mop out of the porter’s hand and ran back outside where the enemy car had just rolled up and five guys got out and came toward him. He swung the big hickory stick handle for all he was worth and struck one of them on the side of the head, knocking him out cold instantly and shattering the stick. Then he stepped into the other four with his fists, knocking two of them down and senseless and sending the other two running for cover on the other side of their car. He turned to the guy he beaned with the stick and was going to put the boots to him. I stood over him and played referee, waving off the attack, “He’s out. Leave him.” The attacker acquiesced and went after someone else. Finally the gangsters in the rear car collected their unconscious companion and piled in and were trying to flee when the other hoods piled in their car and sped off. The rear car gave chase again and we never saw these guys again. The porter cleaned up the mess and resumed mopping with a new stick.
Just a bit of skill and intent can ward off a sizeable threat, multiple attackers.
In my opinion, there should be no police officer allowed to hit the streets without at least one year first in corrections, where the officers are unarmed and must break up fights, alone, etc. With a hundred guys standing around them. They need to learn the social skills necessary to handle these situations without escalating and going automatically to deadly force.
Huge mistake putting rookies out of the academies into cars on their own first day. Silly thing to do. Trouble is bound to happen and usually does. Hot-headed hot dogs lookin’ for a bone.
Just my opinion. I did security work in some of the roughest places and most of it was unarmed. Armed and unarmed are completely different skill sets. Both should be learned. Not just one or the other. Just my opinion. I’m no expert. I merely adapted to whatever the situation called for. I’ve done both and I’m happy either way. And I’ve never been sued or fired.
Pepper spray is great fun. One of the self defense fun toys. I would have advised Scott to leave the gun at home and bring pepper to such an occasion… A guy runs at you like that, blast him! Get the pepper right in his face and soak him good. Blast it up his nose and in his eyes. Slather him. Keep him there. Get your friends to break our their pepper and hold him down for the cops. It’s harmless. He’s screwed. He’s cooked. Just keep blasting him until he’s no more threat. Won’t be bothering anyone for a good long while. He’ll make a lot of noise, but he’ll be fine. Don’t let his squwaking and bawling scare you.
Pepper that stupid little brat!
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Interesting stuff! If I had my rescue dog with me, I wouldn’t have needed gun nor pepper. The attacker would’ve remained on his side of the street, unconsciously covering his balls with both hands, as my shark with fur strained at her leash, ha ha!
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I have a cane with me these days for a couple reasons and one is One of my legs is giving me a problem and gotta get some artery opening up procedure and the other reason is it’s a great head cracker or “ self defense tool” so to speak. The canes I have have brass on the handle or top of it, I have a couple sword canes but I’d hate to use one of them because after I broke a colar bone or two to try to fend off an attacker I don’t wanna get hauled in for the sword cane
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I still don’t understand the reasoning behind sword canes being illegal. I have one I use around the house and surrounding curtilage. I wish I could just EDC it.
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Prior history of bad guys using sword canes to facilitate crimes like any other weapon, and law enforcement not liking them as a perceived threat.
But, using a stout, or solid cane to even out any disparity of force may not be looked on as severely.
Especially, in light of any documented medical impairment indicating a need for a cane for stability, and mobility is indicated.
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Agreed, unless you’re some Gentelman English Chap with one of those “ Swagger Sticks” lol. A lot of people used to carry them , Gen. Patton did but his was a riding crop . Anyway you look at it they are whipping sticks.
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I have that covered. I actually try to not carry anything. As I think it might make a thug think about trying me because I look “weak”. I have a plain old solid polymer cane that I have used and trained with in Escrima.
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Ah so!
Philippine Martial Arts form of cane fighting.
Good at breaking boners including your skull.
Arms, legs, ribs, collar bones are too easy.
Whack and crack!
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I’ve never owned a sword cane. Sounds interesting.
My fav snap on tool is a Kalashnikov. Second is a tomahawk. Then come the sticks, bats and clubs.
Pepper is just too much fun!
I’m not posting this to talk about 1st Amendment auditors. But rather to demonstrate the spectacle of someones getting a snootful of capsicum annum. Yummy! Takes the wind out of their sails – just like that.
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The best weapon around the house?
Pooches rule. Every home should have two happy, healthy mutts watching out for us 24/7/365.
Man’s best friend indeed.
The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs!
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