Liberty Gun "Safe"

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I have been in the market for another safe and liberty was at the top of the list but not any more. They are now off the list.

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What about THAT - corporate seditionists and traitors - surprise, surprise, surprise!

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I wonder, if you went to other manufacturers, are they going to say that they will NOT provide access codes/combos to law enforcement when presented with a warrant?

I also wonder, if Liberty had not provided this, upon receipt of the warrant, would they be in legal trouble and, also, would LE simply have broken/hacked/cracked into the safe all the same since they had a warrant?

In other words…what would a competitor do differently, if anything and…does it even matter?

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Yeah but they don’t have to make it easy for them.

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There are only a few companies that make the locks. I suspect that Liberty does not make the lock itself. I never thought of there being a backdoor code from the lock maker. If this is indeed the case, then Liberty is not the only one.

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It does make me want a totally mechanical lock and now I know to change the code as soon as I get it. And no key.

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For the totally mechanical locks on this kind of safe/RSC…I don’t think you can change it.

But let’s be real, if the FBI has a warrant and they want into your Liberty residential security container…they are getting in.

These things we call safes that are almost always technically an RSC…they are literally rated to be defeated inside of 15 minutes by simple tools like a hammer and screwdriver or some such.

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If there is any doubt left, THEY WERE JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS!

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Achtung, schmuck-os!

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The ‘Lake’ is a much better alternative :grin:

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Yeah, I used to think that being out on the water was a really important place to be well armed, and would take all my guns on the boat with me. Seriously, there are drug runners and modern pirates out in the Gulf. Anyway, there was this huge storm, I took on water, the waves were crashing theough the boat, and I lost everything that wasn’t tied down, including all my guns and fishing equipment. What an awful day.

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You can’t serve a warrant to a large body of water.

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Apple has refused to unlock customer phones and in court has won. So, no, there is no requirement that I am aware of.

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Which large body of water? You have coordinates for me? :rofl: Asking for a friend. :sunglasses:

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Ryan Cleckner (NSSF) shared a good analysis:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cw3DAUTvur7/

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46* 16’06" N - 122* 08’54" W

Good Luck!

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If I recall the details correctly, Apple maintained they cannot unlock one phone without jeopardizing all phones. If Liberty Safes has override codes that are individual, they cannot make same argument as Apple, and had to surrender the code per the warrant. I am surprized though they have the override at all.

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My understanding is that Liberty was not presented with a warrant demanding they hand over the code. They voluntarily handed over the code when the authorities showed them the warrant they had to search the safe owners house. That warrant would have put Liberty under no obligation to share the access code. If Liberty said no then the authorities would have had to get another warrant demanding the information from them. Or just cut into the safe if the warrant they had gave them the authority to do so.

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Saw this earlier. Guess I’m not getting a Liberty safe, mainly because there is a back door code. I’m going to stick with a mechanical lock, thank you very much.

I read several articles on this today. From what I understand, it’s highly likely Liberty complied because they had to, either from a legal or liability perspective. I don’t get the uproar over it, though, as the FBI had legally obtained a warrant to search the safe. They were going to get into it one way or another. Better to comply with law enforcement (from any agency) than to dig one’s heels in and suffer the consequences.

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