I remember my mom talking about Leave it to Beaver and saying this is what an American family should be. I never watched it until later in life when the reruns hit the streaming services. After viewing the first couple of seasons, I can’t say if all American families should be like the Beav’s but I know for sure a family shouldn’t be like the Hoggs’.
So by the 10 round magazine theory shouldn’t the alphabet agencies follow that!
That’s pretty much where I’m at when I have to talk to gun control folks. I will accept the same restrictions put on government agencies. If the local police, the state police, the FBI, ATF, and IRS can carry a certain type of firearm / weapon / protective equipment, then I should be able to do the same. If I can’t be trusted with it, neither can they. If our “leaders” want us to give up our firearms, then they need to lead the way and get rid of theirs, first.
It is a reasonable argument. Does it ever work with gun control folks?
But first, the criminals have to give up theirs. Talk of gun control has been around for a very long time. In the late 60’s one of my favorite bumper stickers was “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns”. This is still my feelings, As long as the criminal element is allowed to keep their firearms then I will keep mine “until they pry them out of my cold dead hands”. The same for government agencies, if they need firearms then so do I. Once all the weapons of all types are gone, I might consider giving up mine, I might consider it.
This skinny little guy sure is an attention seeking hog. Why does he think his opinion matters?
To continue this line of thinking, if criminals give up their fire power, and only keep their knives and shivs, and if govt is only armed with hordes or club-carrying agents, then it is ok for the people to disarm themselves.
Hmm…nay. Somehow I feel insecure.
Well for me to even consider giving up my firearms, all weapons small and large will have to be given up. Not just at home but also abroad. ALL weapons, then I might think about it. In other words they’ll have to pry them from my “cold dead hands”. I’m not a youngster any more and I feel the need for protection more today than ever. I say things in jest sometimes, but I’m serious about 2A. We the people have the RIGHT to bear arms.
I think he is ahead of his time. We should have this argument after we have criminal gun violence under control. Then we can start arguing over what ways to reduce fire power.
Because MSM has placed him high on a righteous pedestal.
Idea! MSM should have Hogg, AOC, Greta Thunberg tour the country together and crush rightism with their mighty intellects!
Now there is a gruesome trio. I would say 3 stooges, but I never would insult Moe, Larry and Curly like that.
It depends. People are on the left for different reasons. People who are more liberal minded, fight-the-system types can go along with the idea that the police shouldn’t be more heavily armed than average citizens. The more socialist, authoritarian folks get upset with me, because they want the government to be more heavily armed than the peasants. How else can it enforce its will upon the people?
I get a pretty even split from people on the right, too. The pro-police types (I consider myself to be pro-police) get mad at me because they think the police should have more than I can have since they have a dangerous job. The small-government types go along with it.
For what it’s worth, I’m not saying that “I should be able to have whatever the government has” is my final argument on gun control. It’s just a conversation starter.
Perhaps you are using wrong entity in your argument. Citizen armament should match one that cartels use, not cops. The competition is against the criminals.
If the only confrontation was one guy and never more than one guy then I agree you need some practice if 10 rounds isn’t enough. But that is not reality. Home invasions are often times more than one, sometimes many. What if we have some kind of civil unrest? I believe we’re on the verge of something. Supply chain, grid, you name it. Law enforcement will have no limits, and neither should we. It was said above, whatever they need is what we need. It’s time we remembered that those telling us what we should do are the same snot nosed kids that sat next to us in elementary, Jr. high and high school. They are no better than we are, and because they chose a different profession does not make them better or their lives worth more. You mentioned Leave it to Beaver. I grew up in that era, when people respected each other. In school we solved our problems with fists, not weapons, and the next day we were friends again. Neighbor knew neighbor and had their back. We grew up with that attitude. And by the way, guns were everywhere, and for some reason they never created any problems. But the political arena has changed since then. Today those who sat next to us make excuses for the criminal. They encourage bad behavior and now we’re reaping the fruits of that reality. Gang behavior and mentality is now a real threat. We’re not talking one guy anymore. We’re taking people who have no respect for life. Sorry Beav. the days of sanity are fading. The new reality is I’m going to protect my family the best I can, and if that means more than 10 rounds so be it. I pray it never comes to that.
Yeah, that’s true. Of course, criminals don’t care about restrictions on firearms, anyway.
My Mother always said “better to have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it”. Of course that can be applied to many aspects of life, especially this conversation.
For some context, she was part of the generation that grew up during the Great Depression. Learned about surviving during tough times.