# Just weeks before FSU shooting, Florida lawmakers blocked campus carry **URL:** \ **Category:** News & Current Events\ **Created:** [April 18, 2025, 12:51pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451 "2025-04-18T12:51:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ray109](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/ray109/32/144426_2.png) [@Ray109](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Ray109)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 12:51pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/1 "2025-04-18T12:51:58Z")
> **[Just weeks before FSU shooting, Florida lawmakers blocked campus carry](https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/education/just-weeks-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry)** > > Florida currently is a constitutional carry state, meaning that residents do not need a permit to carry a concealed weapon. ---
**Author:** ![Joseph488](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/joseph488/32/145925_2.png) [@Joseph488](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Joseph488)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 1:13pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/2 "2025-04-18T13:13:25Z")
Yep, the democrats and RINOs left in this state still want a disarmed population. They never quit, and the blood of those innocent victims is on their hands. ---
**Author:** ![Frank261](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/frank261/32/124704_2.png) [@Frank261](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Frank261)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/3 "2025-04-18T14:20:54Z")
Stupid is as stupid does. ---
**Author:** ![Joseph488](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/joseph488/32/145925_2.png) [@Joseph488](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Joseph488)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/4 "2025-04-18T14:43:18Z")
Some republicans didn’t even show up for work at the committee to vote. The quote below is from “Florida Politics” website. It goes on to quote some people against the bill pointing out that college campuses are full of “ **rampant alcohol and drug use and abuse and sexual assault — and add firearms to the equation** ,” he said.” Uh, why wouldn’t we want our daughters armed to fend off this “rampant sexual assault?” What’s wrong with these people? Another quote from the article. Note the last line… Too many of Fine’s Senate colleagues thought the bill was too drastic a change. Republican Sen. **Ileana Garcia** joined Democratic Sens. **Mack Bernard** , **Jason Pizzo** and **Carlos Guillermo Smith** in voting “no.” Republican Sens. **Joe Gruters** , **Clay Yarborough** and **Jonathan Martin** voted “yes.” Republican Sens. **Jennifer Bradley** and **Corey Simon** were absent. SB 814 lost its House counterpart (**[HB 31](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2025/31)**) early this year when Republican sponsor **Joel Rudman** , a former Navarre Representative who **[resigned for an unsuccessful run at Congress](https://floridapolitics.com/archives/717166-special-election-called-to-replace-joel-rudman-in-hd-3/)**, withdrew the proposal. The vote came after the NRA and Florida Smart Justice signaled support for Fine’s measure and **roughly a dozen students, including several wearing keffiyehs to signal their support of Palestinians, spoke against it.** ---
**Author:** ![Richard56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a88e4f/32.png) [@Richard56](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Richard56)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/5 "2025-04-18T14:54:13Z")
> [@Joseph488](#): > > **roughly a dozen students, including several wearing keffiyehs to signal their support of Palestinians, spoke against it.** …which should have been sufficient reason to vote in favor of the bill, unanimously. ---
**Author:** ![Stuart\_Bradley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/stuart_bradley/32/180728_2.png) [@Stuart\_Bradley](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Stuart_Bradley)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 3:38pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/6 "2025-04-18T15:38:03Z")
Unfortunately, if I inderstand the Bruen decision correctly, a college campus is allowed to restrict the possession of weapons under the 2d Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Richard56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a88e4f/32.png) [@Richard56](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Richard56)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/7 "2025-04-18T22:11:52Z")
> [@Stuart\_Bradley](#): > > a college campus is allowed to restrict the possession of weapons under the 2d Amendment. A decision that, no doubt, FSU is taking great pride in adopting at this time. I’m now waiting for the genius’ responsible for this to commandeer at television mike and **PROUDLY PROCLAIM,** “if it saves **ONE LIFE,** it will be worth it…” ---
**Author:** ![Mike164](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/mike164/32/52494_2.png) [@Mike164](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mike164)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2025, 5:30am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/8 "2025-04-19T05:30:16Z")
> [@Richard56](#): > > **PROUDLY PROCLAIM,** “if it saves **ONE LIFE,** it will be worth it…” Funny how it’s never \*\*“if it costs **ONE LIFE,** it will not be worth it…” ---
**Author:** ![Norman54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/dfb087/32.png) [@Norman54](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Norman54)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/9 "2025-04-19T14:29:56Z")
As Frank 261 says doing the same thing over and over add expecting different results ---
**Author:** ![Richard56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a88e4f/32.png) [@Richard56](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Richard56)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/10 "2025-04-19T16:36:53Z")
What these nimrods don’t seem to realize is, these things **NEVER** save “one life”. They just take **DIFFERENT ONES.** ---
**Author:** ![Scott52](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/scott52/32/160942_2.png) [@Scott52](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Scott52)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2025, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/11 "2025-04-19T16:53:12Z")
Small correction, IIRC Florida is “permitless” carry not constitutional carry. ---
**Author:** ![JAMES1616](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@JAMES1616](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/JAMES1616)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/12 "2025-04-20T00:37:48Z")
I have thought the FL schools and campus law was a good choice. With all the shootings in Gainesville, we are fortunate there has not been one at the UF. An open campus, with access by anyone. I am not sure the mentality of students to carry on campus is right. I am glad there was a rapid response by law enforcement at FSU. ---
**Author:** ![Mike164](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/mike164/32/52494_2.png) [@Mike164](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mike164)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 1:17am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/13 "2025-04-20T01:17:28Z")
Welcome to our family! ---
**Author:** ![Ronald150](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Ronald150](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Ronald150)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 3:52am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/14 "2025-04-20T03:52:53Z")
Welcome to the community! ---
**Author:** ![Frank261](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/frank261/32/124704_2.png) [@Frank261](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Frank261)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 11:04am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/15 "2025-04-20T11:04:33Z")
I am not sure about some students’ tendency to binge on alcohol and / or drugs. The Maturity of each individual matters. They didn’t allow military to carry on state side posts. There was a big deal made of this when after the 2009 Fort Hood shooting - Wikipedia > **[2009 Fort Hood shooting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting)** > > On November 5, 2009, a mass shooting took place at Fort Hood (now Fort Cavazos), near Killeen, Texas. Nidal Hasan, a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others. It was the deadliest mass shooting on an American military base and the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States since the September 11 attacks until it was surpassed by the San Bernardino attack in 2015. > Hasan was shot and as a result paralyzed from the waist down. He was arraigned b... [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009\_Fort\_Hood\_shootin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting) I found this subsequent to my retirement, previously this was not the policy when I was on active duty. > **[New Military Concealed Carry Policy Excludes Retirees for Now](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/12/02/new-military-concealed-carry-policy-excludes-retirees-for-now.html)** > > The new policy for carrying firearms on base is intended for uniformed service members and civilians working for the military. ---
**Author:** ![ZoldFrog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zoldfrog/32/124569_2.png) [@ZoldFrog](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/ZoldFrog)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/16 "2025-04-20T11:41:01Z")
Greetings, James, welcome to the community! Take care & be well ---
**Author:** ![Frank261](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/frank261/32/124704_2.png) [@Frank261](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Frank261)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 11:43am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/17 "2025-04-20T11:43:41Z")
I found the policy of being an off duty individual soldier living on a military base being a GFZ rather incongruent and ridiculous, considering many were armed to the teeth on duty, some with the most powerful and expensive weapons systems in the military. But, off duty could not carry a Derringer. Unless deployed overseas in a hostile zone where all carried, whatever 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![Frank261](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/frank261/32/124704_2.png) [@Frank261](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Frank261)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 11:50am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/18 "2025-04-20T11:50:26Z")
The policy change noted is almost a decade old, and indicated that individual services could fine tune it to their own standards. I will have to see what if any updates there have been to this subsequently. ---
**Author:** ![Frank261](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/frank261/32/124704_2.png) [@Frank261](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Frank261)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 12:20pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/19 "2025-04-20T12:20:25Z")
Another perspective: What is statutory permission to carry for retired military? | [April Updated] > **[What is statutory permission to carry for retired military? | \[April Updated\]](https://thegunzone.com/what-is-statutory-permission-to-carry-for-retired-military/)** > > Understanding Statutory Permission to Carry for Retired Military Personnel Statutory permission to carry for retired military personnel refers to state laws that recognize a retired service member’s military training and experience as sufficient... Point of order, or information: To be retired from the military with benefits and privileges is in the status of an honorable discharge. Less than honorable discharges do not get retired status, benefits, or privileges. Some states automatically grant carry permits to honorably discharge military. Which, only requires one enlistment, hitch. One needs enough reenlistments to reach the twenty-year threshold for retirement. I retired after 25-years service. Not being less than honorably discharged but, rather honorably discharged I am not a prohibited person in my state from being allowed to carry w/, or w/o a permit, open, or concealed anywhere that I have a lawful presence. Not in a GFZ (unless allowed by permit); not in a stolen vehicle, or while trespassing anywhere. In my own, home, vehicle, or public while not trespassing I can carry most anywhere not otherwise prohibited. ---
**Author:** ![Frank261](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/frank261/32/124704_2.png) [@Frank261](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Frank261)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 1:45pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451/20 "2025-04-20T13:45:54Z")
[https://home.army.mil/eisenhower/application/files/1116/0390/8736/FG\_Reg\_210-13.pdf.pdf](https://home.army.mil/eisenhower/application/files/1116/0390/8736/FG_Reg_210-13.pdf.pdf) This link’s information indicates that at least on this one Army base that the carrying of firearms by off duty soldiers on a U.S. garrison has evolved from the previous decades old original policy change that allowed previously prohibited firearms carrying. What other facilities, or services have done in the meantime I don’t yet know, but this indicates the original policy has evolved somewhat, possibly differently depending on jurisdiction specifics. [Next page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-weeks-before-fsu-shooting-florida-lawmakers-blocked-campus-carry/115451.md?page=2)