# Just shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** On Range\ **Created:** [February 25, 2025, 8:00am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741 "2025-02-25T08:00:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/22 "2025-02-26T14:54:18Z")
Seems to be a lot of questions to be answered, so let’s break everything down. But before we proceed, let’s clarify these: - tactical reload should be made only when you are behind cover or concealment. It’s rare (but not impossible and sometimes might be needed) doing this exposed, but in such case you must be in the move. * * * > [@Doug101](#): > > I can count my shots on the range but if I’m in a fight for my life, I can’t say that I would know how many I fired. Seems to me that you have more important things to consider. This is actually the first reason for tactical reload. If you don’t know how many rounds you have, how do you want to reengage the threat? How do you plan to keep shooting if you have no idea how many rounds you can shoot? * * * > [@Doug101](#): > > If you would change your mag before running dry, what does that give you? Confidence. I know that my next move won’t be interrupted by empty chamber. Can you predict what happens next, when you reengage? Will you have time to do emergency reload when you find yourself in the middle of continuous shooting? I personally feel better knowing I’m ready for next step with 16 rounds. * * * > [@Doug101](#): > > And if the fight continues, you have to keep switching out mags with one or two shots left in them which will cause you more danger and time. Yes, eventually my mag will have less rounds, but the chances of using the original (already swapped) magazine are very small. If I shot 10 rounds or so and do tactical reload I’m ready for another 15, meaning I can shoot 25 times without exposing my self to open danger (emergency reload is really danger if happens unexpectedly) Emergency reload may eventually occur because it’s impossible to perform tactical reload over and over… but I want this happens as late as possible with chance that it won’t be necessary. * * * > [@Doug101](#): > > Could I get some clarification on why you prefer combat reload. I would be glad to try it but need some reasons why it would be better. I think all above should clarify everything. * * * I understand that each of us creates his / her own tactics and has plan to survive gun fight and these may differ. But… There is a simple rule: more firepower, more chances to survive. Why would you minimize your chances not having full magazine available at the moment? ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/23 "2025-02-26T15:07:30Z")
> [@Robert1246](#): > > The tactic reload is harder and takes more time. Not true. The time and mechanics are very similar → if you practice. OK. I can agree, that emergency reload is 0.5 sec faster… but there is a reason we do tactical reload behind cover or concealment. I have seen students struggling with tactical reload, but once properly trained and practiced - no difference comparing to emergency reload. > [@Robert1246](#): > > One can only do tactical reloads enemy under cover. _unless you want to get shot_. I’m not sure what did you mean by that 👆 * * * Remember - Chances of being hit during emergency reload are exponentially bigger than during tactical reload ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/24 "2025-02-26T15:19:21Z")
There is also one more factor, why we should practice tactical reload - it gives the time when you can put your sh\*t together. You can take a few deep breaths and rethink the situation. Less stress better chance to win the gunfight. ![A 2025-02-26 09-18-54](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/9/d/9dd617aee8a5a6de66641e38b187b83e0f25438e.png) ---
**Author:** ![Robert1246](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/robert1246/32/39522_2.png) [@Robert1246](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Robert1246)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/25 "2025-02-26T15:24:40Z")
> [@Jerzees](#): > > > [@Robert1246](#): > > > > One can only do tactical reloads enemy under cover. _unless you want to get shot_. > > I’m not sure what did you mean by that 👆 Enemy shouldn’t be there. I fixed it. > [@Jerzees](#): > > > [@Robert1246](#): > > > > The tactic reload is harder and takes more time. > > Not true. It is true. There is no point in doing a reaload if you are not out of ammo. You wouldn’t do a tactical unless you are under cover. ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 3:58pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/27 "2025-02-26T15:58:41Z")
> [@Robert1246](#): > > There is no point in doing a reaload if you are not out of ammo. You wouldn’t do a tactical unless you are under cover. There is a point and the whole idea of tactical reload. You do this when you are not out of ammo… because you are avoiding to going out of ammo. Anyway… I’m guessing we mostly agree with the idea… but you probably skipped few posts… and that happens when we have few concurrent discussions under single thread. > [@Jerzees](#): > > let’s clarify these: > > - tactical reload should be made only when you are behind cover or concealment. It’s rare (but not impossible and sometimes might be needed) doing this exposed, but in such case you must be in the move. ---
**Author:** ![Robert1246](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/robert1246/32/39522_2.png) [@Robert1246](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Robert1246)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/28 "2025-02-26T16:12:57Z")
> [@Jerzees](#): > > doing this exposed, but in such case you must be in the move. This is what I don’t get. I wouldn’t do a reload unless I was out of ammo in my magazine. Unless one was really good at dodging bullets or it wasn’t a deadly situation. ---
**Author:** ![Doug101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed655f/32.png) [@Doug101](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Doug101)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/29 "2025-02-26T16:58:42Z")
> [@Jerzees](#): > > There is a simple rule: more firepower, more chances to survive. But the firepower doesn’t change. The only thing that changes is when it is used. [quote=“Jerzees, post:22, topic:113741” Why would you minimize your chances not having full magazine available at the moment? [/quote] Yea, I understand that but at the same time, why would you want to slow yourself down near the end with more mag changes. If I were behind cover I would think that would be the best place for an emergency reload or a tactical reload. It would also be my preferred place to shoot from with what I had left in my first mag or even my spare if I had to do an emergency reload. I only carry one spare mag and can only get 24 +1 out of the two. I still don’t believe I would want to be changing out partially filled mags at the end of an extended gunfight. I would rather do it once and do what every ones plan is, finish it before I run completely out. ---
**Author:** ![deranged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deranged](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/deranged)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/31 "2025-02-26T21:05:12Z")
Lots of debate over reloads and what type. I concentrate on my effectiveness with the 12+1 in the gun. In all probability if I require my reload I’ve chosen the wrong fight and should have been paying more attention to my situation. ---
**Author:** ![Todd30](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/todd30/32/40525_2.png) [@Todd30](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Todd30)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/33 "2025-02-26T22:50:10Z")
> [@Robert1246](#): > > This is what I don’t get. I wouldn’t do a reload unless I was out of ammo in my magazine. Unless one was really good at dodging bullets or it wasn’t a deadly situation. If you are not shooting you are moving and reloading. If you are not moving and reloading your dead. Did I get it right? ---
**Author:** ![Robert1246](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/robert1246/32/39522_2.png) [@Robert1246](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Robert1246)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/34 "2025-02-26T23:14:59Z")
> [@Todd30](#): > > If you are not shooting you are moving and reloading. If you are not moving and reloading your dead No you got it backwards. If you are not moving and reloading your dead. If you are not shooting you are moving and reloading. ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:36pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/36 "2025-02-26T23:36:16Z")
> [@Enzo\_T](#): > > I’m confused as to why anyone should prioritize one type of reload over another. They are complimentary skills that have much in common and I see ZERO reasons why you can’t have both in your tool kit! They apply to different situations and you should be at ease performing BOTH!!! Yeah . That’s what I’ve been trying to explain. Even I still value more tactical reload over emergency reload, my point here was to train and practice both. What I’ve seen is that in most classes tactical reload is almost forgotten and Instructors spend a lot of time on emergency reload, which make me think how the hell we are going to win the gunfight, if we don’t know who to manage the ammo. Shooting till slide lock is not smart. So, as @Enzo_T said - practice both and use the one that gives better chance to win the fight. … whatever needed to be said, has been said… ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:39pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/37 "2025-02-26T23:39:18Z")
> [@Robert1246](#): > > I wouldn’t do a reload unless I was out of ammo in my magazine. So let me ask one more time: Why would you want be in the situation when you are engaging the threat and you run out of ammo, because you had only fe. half of your magazine remaining? Gunfight is so dynamic, that you have no idea what to expect in next few seconds, so better to have full mag in the firearm that in the pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Robert1246](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/robert1246/32/39522_2.png) [@Robert1246](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Robert1246)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:44pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/38 "2025-02-26T23:44:56Z")
The object is to take the other guy out of the fight. That is what comes to mind. Not reload when I don’t have to. Besides, I always carry a full magazine ---
**Author:** ![Papa\_Zed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/papa_zed/32/139967_2.png) [@Papa\_Zed](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Papa_Zed)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/39 "2025-02-26T23:48:15Z")
One thing I think is missing is how many magazines is one carrying. If you are rolling with 6 additional magazines hell yeah drop’em like hot cakes. But if you have 1 or 2 additional magazines then ammo becomes precious and you could end up having to go back to an almost empty magazine, which means you performed 2 additional actions to end up with the same results. ---
**Author:** ![Robert1246](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/robert1246/32/39522_2.png) [@Robert1246](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Robert1246)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/40 "2025-02-27T00:16:06Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/2/7/277bddcaadb19d2446e08360b14c05df4d5f2ea9.jpeg "When to Use a Tactical Reload| Gun Talk") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4az4rwrTcs) ---
**Author:** ![Todd30](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/todd30/32/40525_2.png) [@Todd30](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Todd30)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2025, 2:25am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/41 "2025-02-27T02:25:43Z")
A speed reload is done when speed is required. A tactical reload is when you mat have time to change the magazine. It is a matter of walking or running. You need to move fast then use a speed reload. If you have time and cover do a tactical reload. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/4/1/4176a660278bebb6242126721d8fee9b8744e3ad.jpeg "1911 Follow-Up: Tactical and Speed Reload") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwQCVNybjpc) ---
**Author:** ![deranged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deranged](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/deranged)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2025, 3:49am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/42 "2025-02-27T03:49:48Z")
There is more than one exit. Move towards the counter and the employee area in back. DO NOT stand there observing thugs fighting amongst themselves. From what you describe you are not involved in what is taking place. Move your wife and yourself away, so that if rounds start flying you are not taking part in a potential 3 way gun battle. ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2025, 3:58am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/43 "2025-02-27T03:58:38Z")
I’m guessing there’s no sense to talk more about ammo management in the fight. Each of us has it’s own plans how to win the fight. Hopefully each plan ends with win. ✌ ---
**Author:** ![deranged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deranged](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/deranged)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2025, 4:11am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/44 "2025-02-27T04:11:10Z")
Better know 'yer $hit if that’s 'yer plan. ---
**Author:** ![Todd30](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/todd30/32/40525_2.png) [@Todd30](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Todd30)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2025, 4:51am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741/45 "2025-02-27T04:51:53Z")
> [@Jerzees](#): > > I’m guessing there’s no sense to talk more about ammo management in the fight. I think this has been an excellent subject. William Hickock would shoot his gun every morning to assure that his loads where fresh and his gun would fire when needed. There are many little things people do to create an edge. Speed and accuracy are your friends. Tactics will help you in any situation but being flexible may save your life. A person needs to make changes upon the situation that they are facing. Do what you have to, to survive. We have talked about speed loading and tactical loading and the fact of having any rounds left in the magazine but, what happens if you have a malfunction? Whether you are reloading with or without a round in your chamber the rules of Murphy could always be applied. Be efficient! That is why we train. [Previous page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/just-shooting/113741.md?page=3)