No proportionality element here. This guy is going down.
Incidentally, I was talking to a retail worker yesterday. PD in a major city told them not to call 911 about shoplifters. I feel sorry for this guy, it must have felt like criminals have an open season on store workers.
Still no excuse for losing it.
It brings back discussions if carrying the firearm should be preceded by formal training / mental training. This is not a first case when anger caused the worst decision of someone’s life. 
Shooting somebody over knocked eyeglasses off isn’t nothing else than a murder. Additionally emptied magazine shows the level of anger or lack of training…
They used to say: Don’t bring a gun into a fist fight. That guy definitely never heard this.
“Police reportedly described in a probable cause statement that Madrid “stated he had made the worst decision of his life.” “
Also sounds like he compounded his worst mistake by talking to the police before talking to a lawyer.
Sad, but this is just the tip of the iceberg! People have lost control. I feel it at the market at the gas station when I pick up my mail.
The tension is palpable, nationwide. Joes gotta go! He is responsible for every death and every drop of blood spilled, since his inauguration!
I agree that things are quite likely heading to a boiling point. And I dislike Biden more than most but think there are plenty of other politicians past, present and unfortunately likely in the future who deserve a fair share of the blame as well.
A blast of pepper spray would have fixed things pretty quickly.
Sad turn of events.
Living in a socialist state and having to go through hoops to be able to legally carry, I carefully assess situations I’m in.
I’m not throwing away my CCW license and more importantly, my freedom by getting involved in senseless encounters.
If cops won’t be bothered, why should I?
I doubt Dollar Tree’s legal department would represent him.
This is hard to disagree with - dont spend energy on what is not yours.
This is also the flip side of Giuliani’s “broken windows” theory. Today, they are shoplifting, tomorrow they will harrass shoppers.
I blame voters.
The great American experiment in self-governance requires an educated and savvy electorate. We’re more like a great herd of sheep that’s easily manipulated by cheap political tricks and outrage media. Correction, we’re like two great herds of sheep that is each being told the other herd is coming for our grass.
Just after I wrote that I blame the American electorate, I saw this article.
Americans Pull Back From Values That Once Defined U.S., WSJ-NORC Poll Finds - WSJ
In a nutshell: there is a dramatic drop in Americans who value patriotism, religion, children, hard work, community involvement, or tolerance of others.
The only priority the Journal tested that has grown in importance in the past quarter-century is money, which was cited as very important by 43% in the new survey, up from 31% in 1998.
This might be a bit of a chicken or egg scenario. Which came first, the bad voters or the bad politicians?
Given the lack of unbiased reporting, which from everything I have read was every bit as bad in the 1800’s as it is today, I think it is very difficult for voters to be informed with accurate information. It takes me a ton of digging through the trash to get to a few shreds of truth. Most hard working people don’t have the time to do that.
And I don’t think the current focus on money is entirely unreasonable. We have politicians and celebrities making millions and living extravagant life styles while the average Joe and Jane are working harder and harder with less and less to show for it.
My father busted his butt to provide for my brother and I. But he was able to provide us with a modest home and everything we needed with my mother only having to work part time when us kids got old enough to care for ourselves. My wife and I both have to work the equivalent of full time jobs just to provide the same for our one son. The only way we could find a home we could afford on both our salaries was to get lucky and find a foreclosed house when the market bottomed out after the 2008 crash. A lot of less fortunate parents are having to work multiple jobs with no hope of ever owning a home.
So I can understand why people are questioning where all their hard work, morals and good values are getting them. Especially when politician and celebrities with no redeeming values or morals are getting a massively growing share of the shrinking pie.
I agree we need better voters but those voters need better choices and access to better information to figure out what those choices will actually accomplish. Which is unlikely to happen with our current corrupt system.
Most importantly, I’m not sure anyone would be willing to vote for someone brave enough to tell the truth about how bankrupt and broken our current system is and how much we are all going to have to sacrifice to put it back together again. So instead we just keep kicking the toxic can down the road.
This is a fair question. I think the fault lies with voters. I remember reading an article several years ago that was based on several anonymous staffers from both parties, and they shared common complaints about the stupid things politicians had to do to court voters. Think of the obligatory family photos, for example.
Also, I recall several arguments for the Constitution claimed that the ultimate responsibility was on the electorate. If bad politicians are allowed to stay in office, it’s the fault of the people who put him/her there. This was the ultimate guard against fraud, and why we shouldn’t need term limits, for example. (I have a copy of the Federalist Papers behind me, but I’m too lazy to pull it off the shelf. I think a lot of us here are familiar with the arguments, though.)
If a really bad apple fools the electorate and attains high office, it’s the fault of the electorate for being fooled. The old saying goes: fool me twice, shame on me. The voters have been fooled 118 times since the Constitution was ratified. Shame on us.
I don’t necessarily disagree. Just don’t know how the voters can be expected to solve the problem without easy access to reliable information and capable non corrupt candidates?
Many of the people who aspire to leadership roles have sociopathic tendencies and/or ulterior motives. Most honest, hard working folks don’t want to spend their time telling everyone else how to live their lives while profiting off of the efforts of others. They are a lot less likely to want to wade through all the crap in the swamp. And the very few truly good people who try usually get falsely and relentlessly dragged through the mud by the kleptocrats profiting from the status quo at the rest of our expense.
Yeah, I guess I could question how voters are supposed to elect good candidates when they’re never offered good candidates to choose from.
Election Day is always very depressing for me. I almost always feel that I either need to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils or vote for a 3rd party candidate who I know has no chance of winning.
Lately I find myself leaving more and more of the boxes blank:(
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
This 
You may get your wish, though it will be the system itself, it will reveal itself as bankrupt, literally, for everyone to see. Hold onto your pants when it happens…
Definitely not my wish to see this whole show fall apart. But seems a likely outcome if people don’t start trying a lot harder to deal with the issues today instead of constantly pushing them all off till tomorrow.