ICE and Self defence?

Not a troll, my question was based upon someone I’m connected to on social media, their comment was that if an ICE agent put a gun in their face they would consider that as a lethal threat and respond kind.

my personal training, over a plethora of years, would be to attempt to de-escalate, rather than draw a weapon. I’ve from a child, was situational awareness and avoidance. Then if I had to use any self-defense it was in effect to be the last result. and that I was to stop assailant – that person’s comment simply caused me to think, and question their comment, and what my response would be.

I’m a civilian, I’m a nerd, but have worked with a variety of different law enforcement agencies and military as specialist in my field. I grew up learning a variety of marshaled arts, principally various types of edged weapons. But also, physical self-defense. I also grew up around firearms. My grandfather as his retirement was from the government became a specialty gun smith, my father used to hunt regularly. Today as I age my personal reactions are not what they used to be, plus with the current political unrest, I’ve decided to start carrying. Because of my history, I choose not to carry and turned down job positions wherein I would have been required to carry.

as I said, my question spawned based upon a posting from someone I’m connected to. I regularly question myself; how would I react? These, or at least similar where interview questions, if I had draw and use my firearm could I? sadly, my answer was based upon my training, the answer is yes, but the 1st attempt would to be to try and de-escalate
I have never killed anyone and hope to not be placed in that situation. But I have physically hurt people disarming them, based upon blind reactions, which scared me in that I reacted faster than I knew, and didn’t realize what I had done until the person was on the ground.

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Kristine4 you’re not going to get a real answer here. 99% of the people here are in the MAGA and QAnon cults. They only believe what they are told and don’t have a mind of their own.

  • ICE are not “trained law enforcement”. So forget the idea of them acting properly within the bounds of law, or even knowing the law.
  • ICE is absolutely arresting people based on skin color and langauge. That is well documented. Recent stats show that more than half of the people arrested by ICE are US citizens or in the country legally.
  • You ask a very good question, because what you ask will eventually result in ICE agents being killed in “self defense”, which is exactly what Trump wants so that he can further escalate.
  • ICE is now #10 or #12 in the largest military budgets among world nations.
  • ICE are Trump’s nazi browshirts, but much more heavily armed.
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Thank you,

As has been politicized, recently, ICE has been weaponized, and is acting in accordance with that weaponization, which is very reflective of history. (I’m a history buff) However, as I recounted, in some of my responses, they are being used, primarily as a tool to create fictional chaos, and to insight fear. within Blue States, wherein where-in the majority are not armed, Taking them away from their actual jobs. Which most doesn’t need or have them armed. Training for ICE agents is similar to a FBI analyst verses a field agent, which is further removed from a law enforcement agent.

And while I’m personally not partially worried, the thought/question is there? How would I react if, an armed, armored and masked individual stopped me, raided my home or work.

Is someone who hasn’t identified themselves, for no apparent reason effectively assaulting my person and or family/friends? This further expands the question, based upon the situation, how to I react.

20 + years ago, this I know from experience, given the opportunity, if I was in immediate danger and reacted as if it was a threat, I would have likely disarmed and disabled the assailant. This was as per my training. Today, my reactions are not that fast, and I truly had hoped I put that training/thought process behind me, in the past.

some of that training is playing with What-if scenarios, sometimes bouncing those ideas off others.

Sadly, we find ourselves in a real cross-roads, that could escalate and spread beyond where it has.

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From what I gather from your post I think what you are implying is the shit could hit the fan at any time.

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Really really good video.

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I think you are safe from ICE, but you reminded me of our education and training. USCCA has a lot of video learning vignettes. More depending upon membership level, some free, some at nominal cost. At some of their free seminars, they offer free books like this one:

Someone else calmer than me suggested we go outdoors, walk in nature, have some fun, because social media is powerful and places too much anxiety on our minds. I think decompressing can help us think more clearly. I went on a 15 mile hike the other day, but nothing tops my coworker running in a marathon this weekend for a children’s charity.

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These are not real answers. You’re reading a load of leftist propaganda.

ICE agents are certified law enforcement officers who have completed immigration law enforcement training and are authorized to enforce immigration laws in the United States. They have the authority to arrest and detain individuals suspected of immigration violations.

If you look at the numbers, both Clinton and Obama deported far more illegal aliens (without due process), but that doesn’t fit the leftist ideology of resisting anything the current president tries to do.

But again, please don’t take my word for it. Question everything you read. Do your own research. Make your own conclusions.

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I can only speak for myself and not anyone from social media. My chances of negative interaction with ICE is 0. Negative with law enforcement in general? Very close to 0. Do I, me, myself worry about interactions with law enforcement. No.

I might give them a fist bump or hand shake, ask them to be careful out there and thank them for their service. They are human beings just like me no matter what the media and the left have to say about them.

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I believe (not knowing you @ all) you should STOP, FULL STOP with the Fear Powder. Stop being… full of Democratic speak and LISTEN to the folk’s on this forum for a change. ICE Agents put their lives on the line everyday!. Facing UNHINGED RADICAL LEFTISTS I consider the job they have been doing since day One of this New Administration has been Exemplary! This ISN’T the Pudding Pants Era of Policing where WE are the damn ENEMY! Cops who come up the side of our cars risk getting KILLED/Maimed every time because the previous arseholes in power gave away the store and REWARDED CRIMINALS BAD DEEDS!

Do you know the ‘procedures’ a Cop goes through BEFORE he/she exits his Squad car and approaches you? They knows EXACTLY who you are and what he/she is facing. Making Cops/Military look like the Bad Guy’s on this forum is …starting off on the wrong foot with a lot of us.
A suggestion from the cheap seats tells me maybe you should consider your ‘sources’ from ‘Anti-Social’ media you’ve been listening to and also consider listening to some folk’s who have ‘Been there done that’ when it come to Self Defense and Situational Awareness and STOP being so SCARED that the White Hats are the Bad guy’s! It never ceases to amaze me that with a little Mental as well as Physical TRAINING the Eye’s OPEN and the Mind clears and there is a Brand New GUNNER standing before me! I’ve seen this marvelous transformation with my own eyes a few times. But FEAR has a bad habit of keeping some minds closed.

Before I end this lecture please also STOP with Any ‘AGENCY’ in this Administration breaking down our doors and EXECUTING US. I know they have a tough road to hoe trying to bring back trust but they are all working overtime correcting the mistakes of the past and riding their ranks of the Bad Apples. We are in a brave new world now. We have to forgive them and not judge them for Brian, Ashley, Ruby Ridge, WACO etc etc. If we don’t we are all doomed to repeat past mistakes. I am NOT a Law Enforcement Apologizer but I have seen in the past (10) months enough to know the current crop of Trumps Alliance are PATRIOTS.

WWG1WGA

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Politicized? Just enforcing immigration laws.

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YUP! When Trump does it it’s ILLEGAL Weaponized/Politicized, when the Left Loons do it it they are ABOVE THE LAW and for the chil’ren—I have her number now.

Hey look @ that! The USCCA (speakin’ of Loons, took away ‘Regular’ again)

NOTE TO USCCA Keep yer ducking stinkin’ BADGES! Have a GREAT DAY! SMOOCH :heart_eyes:

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From migrationpolicy.org

Obama years.

Difference?

No sensationalism by the media and politicians ginning up riots. No paid for, screaming idiots protesting deportations at deportation facilities.

Evidence of how the dumbocrats and their lacky media cohorts conspire against the Trump administration and the useful, weak minded idiots they inspire.

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If any LEO is coming at me hot, there is more going on than I know about.

The last thing I need to do is become hostile or aggressive!

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The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) was first created in 1933; It’s not new, we like other countries have had rules ever since, ours - not as hard core as other countries.

Reminding folks, we have an immigration problem. Once, when I was in a foreign country, I was dying, a stranger saved my life, he looked like any undocumented immigrant we see today, he risked his life to save mine. Not for that reason only - I respect them, but I also respect that … “Houston, we have a problem”.

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What?, I’m not sure what you said?

When militant presentations of what was a non-violent organization, are being used to in effect create an intimidating presence in democratically controlled states/districts while having their actions published in the media, is politicization, using them as political tools to insight fear.

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OR, is it just enforcing the law?

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I’m a citizen. ICE was not meant to intimidate me.

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If you are comparing ICE under Obama to ICE under Trump, then you are a moron at best or a simply a racist. Did ICE wear masks under Obama? Did they arrest entire apartment buildings using Blackhawk helicopters repelling onto the rooftop? Did they go to Home Depot and arrest and jail all of the brown people they saw, and figured out who were citizens later? Please, get you head out of your a$$.