H.r. 5717

Anyone look into this? What’s the update? H.R.5717 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

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The dead have voted and it shall come to passssssss.

Cheers,

Craig6

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Looks like it never came up for a vote. Also, it was sent to several committees but there are no committee reports. Seems to me it languished and then died when that Congress ended. Probably it gets introduced again in the new Congress. Maybe it will get to a vote this time but I think they won’t have the votes to enact it. Probably not in either house.

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I am in no way going to make a prediction of what may come to pass with the current government. This bill comes from the typical playbook; ask for the moon, then compromise down. Anything they can get is a win in their march forward, and a loss for the opposing side (us).

The thing is, they spend quite a bit of ‘capital’ to get something like that through. They also know that they are very likely looking at only having control for 2 more years. A number of years ago, we (and I mean that as a collective we through the GOA and others) stopped playing the compromise game. Something that should have been done long ago.

I do expect them to introduce something, and soon. After they are done with their ‘executive orders’, and maybe after they have ‘packed the court’. Heck, we have a 10 round mag cap bill in Montana now of all things.

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They stole this one. What stops them from steeling the next one in two years? What stops them from steeling the rest of them?

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I do not disagree with your statement. I have been saying the same for a while now.

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I mean if they have the b#ll’s to steel it right in front of us and get away with it. What stops them from steeling it again?

You know what I’m saying. @MarkinMT .

This country has allowed the worst kind of crime to happen. Nothing will happen other then, it happening again.

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I looked at what some of what was in this bill. And these people don’t seem to know that some of what they want is ALREADY LAW NOW. But then again they just don’t seem to know what the hell they’re doing. There are some 22,000 gun laws on the books both Federal and State. And yet these people keep wanting to pass the same laws again that are already law.

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If we are paying them to waste time anyway, what better thing to have them waste time on!? :wink:

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This is just sad. Trump’s silly lies about stolen election have led to the conviction that voting is useless. If the election really was stolen go find evidence to prove it. And not evidence that has already been dismissed by the courts. Actual evidence of widespread fraud. Instead you whine about being a victim. Very sad.

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The courts haven’t looked at the evidence. Almost all of the suits were dismissed on the basis of standing, which happens without the court even reading any of the suit.

It is incontrovertible true and proven that the Pennsylvania Secretary of State changed the rules for accepting ballots, a power given only to the legislature by state constitution. A blatantly illegal act.

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Not going to relitigate all this. I will say that no one claimed fraud. Some people complained about changing the rules due to the pandemic, thought it was illegal. The court found that this issue could have been litigated before the vote took place. That it wasn’t brought to the courts in a timely way is incontrovertible. The plaintiffs waited until the vote had already happened and the court had to weigh the fact of the power illegally claimed against the fact of 6 million votes made by people following the instructions they had received. Not even close. Trumpers should have brought the suit before voting started and then could have had a chance of a resolution in their favor.

Do you say that everybody’s votes should be tossed after the fact only because your guy lost? Not at all fair.

Lol. The evidence has been all over the internet. It has been seen by all. The videos of them trucking in ballots. The court rejected it because it’s an election. The courts do not get involved in the elections. That’s the only reason why it wasn’t reviewed.

But it’s okay I’m not going to keep arguing with people that are blinded to the truth. You go ahead and keep living in your bubble of lies, oops I mean mainstream media. You go ahead and let your fellow Democrats fill your head with propaganda, as they steal all your rights away slowly but surely.

But I sir will not live my life as a fool.

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Yes, I saw it. It will come back as soon as there is another mass shooting, if not sooner.
Another example of how we are losing the battle of ideas. We need to be able to present the statistics on gun control without being labeled a racist or some other ‘ist’.

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I never said anything of the sort, nor did I indicate whom “my guy” may have been. What I am saying is that there are enough documented irregularities to warrant further investigation. As to the idea that all litigation should have commenced before the election is ridiculous on its face. While it is possible that certain allegations could have brought beforehand, how can questions of fraudulent ballots, questionable counting methods, or tally machine irregularities be observed or questioned before they have occurred?

As to fairness, how is it fair that thousands of voters who cast their ballots in accordance with established election law had their votes possibly negated by ballots cast according to illegal rule changes?

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I’ll try to put things in perspective by analogy, but please forgive me for not being eloquent.

There is a guy, whose life is well documented over many decades. He leaves overall impression of being dirty and incompetent. His family is corrupt, entangled with foreigners that make Borat look like Honesty itself. There is a bunch of photos and videos that depict pure degeneracy. Ewww!!! So when we are talking about a great crime, it is easy to believe he had done it. It is worse than OJ and the double murder, at least OJ got acquitted in a trial, still no one believed he was innocent.
No one has the power to deprogram the public to make it unsee what it had seen, the rumors are not going to stop. Repression will only cause nasty sarcasm to start circulating, kinda like against Soviet geriatric “Politbureau”. People will snicker and wink to each other when he speaks or his surrogates speak. Sensing this weakness, unfriendly sovereign powers will show disrespect by aggressive action, just give it time.
I understand it upsets people. This is why reputation is important. Be upset with disreputable persons. Definitely read the old classic, The King Has No Clothes.

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Well, at least we don’t have to worry about that! :laughing:

We don’t need to be calling anyone fools or saying they live in a bubble. What needs to be understood is that the Constitution doesn’t say I need permission from the government to own or buy or have a weapon. It does say “shall not infringe “. Now I myself will not comply with a law that is unconstitutional no matter what a court says. Nor what the congress says or even the president himself signs into law. If that law is unconstitutional then I have no need to follow it. I voted for president Trump this election cycle but not his 1st run. But after the 4 yrs I saw the bias in the media the hypocrisy of the democrats and don’t get me wrong I have voted for democrats, and libertarians before. I’m the ominous swing voter that all parties want. I do my research and vote according to that research and the values I hold true. That being said. If you did vote for president Biden thats fine by me, I have several family members who voted for him. And I love them all dearly. We agree to disagree but in the end we are still, above all else family. But I also tell them when laws like this H.R. 5717 does become law I expect them to be first in line to sell back their firearms or pay the “tax” for every semi-auto they own and every magazine over 10 Rds. And to do so without complaints to even be happy about doing so since this IS what you voted for. So those of you here who voted for president Biden I will say the same to you. If and when this becomes the law, you comply and be happy in doing so. I will not, mine will be lost in the great American boating accident that those of us who didn’t vote for him will have. Which reminds me I need to buy a boat. Sorry so long winded all. Be safe and stand strong for the Constitution. Faith, Family, Firearms, Friends.

I thought we were a country based on freedom of speech?
In fact I’m pretty sure it’s in our constitution.
That’s one of the biggest problems with this country.
Everybody’s offended at everything. So they want to cancel and quiet the ones that speak freely like the Constitution says we have the right to do. By suppressing what I am saying is hindering my constitutional right of freedom of speech.

So before you tell me what I can and cannot say,think about that as much as you think about your second amendment rights.

Good day sir.

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Let’s remember that the 1st Amendment applies to government being prohibited from interfering with speech, not individuals. And while it protects your right to speak, it doesn’t mean anyone has to listen to you, or that disagreement or criticism of what you have said constitutes an infringement of your rights.

What you say is important; how you say it is equally important, especially in regard to your goal when speaking. Speaking without a goal is simply babbling.

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