# Guns you wouldn't buy for self-defense **URL:** \ **Category:** Guns & Gear\ **Created:** [July 20, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126 "2020-07-20T14:56:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Actinopodidae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/actinopodidae/32/16807_2.png) [@Actinopodidae](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Actinopodidae)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/21 "2020-07-21T00:45:41Z")
> [@John292](#): > > The silliest ad I’ve come across featured a shotgun held by a grimacing turkey hunter dressed in full combat cammo and splattered in mud, with the 1000 yard stare in his eyes, like a GI fresh from the Battle of the Bulge. …turkey didn’t stand a chance. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Brad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/brad/32/9565_2.png) [@Brad](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Brad)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/22 "2020-07-21T01:56:38Z")
> [@Levi2](#): > > sarcasm is harder to see in text Sarcasm is in every text and should be assumed! The bug is in being someone who doesn’t take offense. I’m fond of saying that if someone is always looking to take offense, they’ll always find a way to be offended. Life is too short! 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_H](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/gary_h/32/5302_2.png) [@Gary\_H](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Gary_H)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:25am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/23 "2020-07-21T02:25:18Z")
Guns you wouldn’t buy for self defense: probably not an AR-10 pistol- a little loud and maybe penetration issues ---
**Author:** ![Scotty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/scotty/32/13706_2.png) [@Scotty](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Scotty)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/24 "2020-07-21T02:31:25Z")
I don’t agree. Following your link, I think it is relatively subdued related to military assertions. Maybe any mention of military or terms like operator in firearm marketing might have a negative connotation to some, but I don’t think it was excessive… especially considering it’s my understanding that the APX was specifically developed (or thrown together) to compete in the last military trials. I’m not a big Glock fan, but they even use bold font for their “law enforcement” description on some pages of their website. From: [GLOCK Inc. | GLOCK Pistols | Buy Guns Online](https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g45-mos) " Utilizing the design and engineering GLOCK developed for its military pistol (G19X), combined with operator and worldwide **Law Enforcement** specifications." Video from same page: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/6/2/62a8e823f6706214cf5b8d894811a64225c44807.jpeg "GLOCK Is My Constant") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I1NHCVF2Oc) ---
**Author:** ![JamesR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jamesr/32/2051_2.png) [@JamesR](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/JamesR)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/25 "2020-07-21T02:38:07Z")
See @ScottH I was thinking the other end of the timeline…and besides, it’s more of offense than self-defense… 😃 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/d/1/d198d1476f114c05a447740dc5a5b6783efdf0ac.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Harold26](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Harold26](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Harold26)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/26 "2020-07-21T02:47:39Z")
Legal concerns are real, and while they may be overridden by other factors they should never be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Harold26](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Harold26](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Harold26)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/27 "2020-07-21T02:56:10Z")
Does a Colt Officers ACP count as a micro in your book? ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 3:20am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/28 "2020-07-21T03:20:09Z")
I don’t quite get it. What does it have to marketing? Legal concerns are the same for every handgun bought in USA. ---
**Author:** ![Harold26](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Harold26](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Harold26)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 3:32am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/29 "2020-07-21T03:32:41Z")
A prosecutors decision on if they should charge you with a crime for defending yourself, the way they sell the jury on your intent, the way this is done in civil court as well, is very much influenced by the image of the gun and ammo used. Using a firearm marketed solely to “operators” runs a higher likeliness of you being portrayed as a Rambo-wannabe who was looking for an excuse to shoot someone. It brings greater scrutiny and greater likeliness that even the slightest flaw in your handling the situation will result in legal action against you. And then the prosecutor just has to hand out copies of the marketing materials to prove their point. ---
**Author:** ![DLVick38](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/dlvick38/32/5703_2.png) [@DLVick38](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/DLVick38)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/30 "2020-07-21T03:49:39Z")
I had to google the pistol you mentioned. I wouldn’t consider that a micro- I was talking like DB9 sized pocket pistols! I’m not hating on Diamondback as a company, it was just the 1st pistol I thought about in that category! ✌🏾 ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 5:00am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/31 "2020-07-21T05:00:32Z")
OK… I’m lost now… Are we talking about Rambo - Jumbo guns or self-defense firearms, like any handguns, fe APX which doesn’t advertise itself correctly? If you buy anything legally what logically seems to be self-defense firearm (and you keep it factory equipped) - there is no way that anyone can charge you differently based on size or color or model… ---
**Author:** ![Todd30](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/todd30/32/40525_2.png) [@Todd30](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Todd30)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/32 "2020-07-21T05:31:55Z")
Would a M-239 be over kill? ![1000w_q95](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/2X/8/8522f33059edd0131b5522fc993ba73340cb8a5e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![William\_H](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william_h/32/107834_2.png) [@William\_H](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William_H)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 7:29am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/33 "2020-07-21T07:29:36Z")
I like that. It is great to have as long as you had a bus load of ammo. Hope you can fine some extra. ---
**Author:** ![Levi2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/levi2/32/16223_2.png) [@Levi2](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Levi2)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 11:23am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/34 "2020-07-21T11:23:44Z")
While I don’t necessarily agree that you are more likely to lose a court case based on marketing, there is a possibility of getting demonized because of other variables. Ammunition or caliber perhaps… referring to the Harold Fish case. IMO something like that might be more likely. **Disclaimer** : I wasn’t there, so I don’t have full knowledge of the series of events or circumstances. I am in no way a lawyer, haven’t played one on TV, and haven’t been to a Holiday Inn Express recently. I also have nothing against the 10mm cartridge. ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 12:06pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/35 "2020-07-21T12:06:03Z")
That’s why I wrote: > If you buy anything legally what logically seems to be self-defense firearm We are discussing firearms that may be used for self-defense these days. Any handgun with 9, 10 mm, 0.22, 0.25, 0.38, 0.40, 0.45 is considered self-defense one. ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/36 "2020-07-21T12:35:52Z")
I think some of us are discussing firearms that were not asked about in initial post. I stick to the question form the post: > So are there guns that are obviously **intended for/seem good for self-defense** that you would never consider buying for that purpose? ---
**Author:** ![Albert\_Al](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/albert_al/32/17491_2.png) [@Albert\_Al](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Albert_Al)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/37 "2020-07-21T13:15:02Z")
I don’t worry about the DA. I am more concerned about the JURY. ---
**Author:** ![Virgil\_H](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/virgil_h/32/8253_2.png) [@Virgil\_H](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Virgil_H)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/38 "2020-07-21T13:32:17Z")
I imagine the marketing is to show the weapons reliability and quality. The message to me is that if the pistol is good enough to be trusted by the military and/or police, then it could be trusted by the consumer. To me, it is simply another way they are telling a buyer that they can count on this being a high-quality sidearm. I also think that a firearms smart defense attorney could make that case to a jury. What are we supposed to do? Buy one that is not good enough for the pros? No thank you. I am a retired Soldier though and may be a tad biased. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jeff4/32/25986_2.png) [@Jeff4](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jeff4)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/39 "2020-07-21T14:01:57Z")
In the not to distant past I wouldn’t have even considered marketing to play a factor in legal issues. In 2020, my mind has changed about more than a few things. With that being said I still intend to purchase what I want. Just ordered a Hellcat for example, could really see a lawyer having fun with that name and possibly even playing it up into the automobile version and how both are designed to be more than what a “reasonable person” needs in a gun or car. But I refuse to live in fear of outcomes that may or may not happen based on scenario. So if I like it I’ll carry the hellcat. If I could ever afford one I’d drive a hellcat! ---
**Author:** ![Shawn31](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/shawn31/32/22649_2.png) [@Shawn31](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Shawn31)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/guns-you-wouldnt-buy-for-self-defense/32126/40 "2020-07-21T14:03:10Z")
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