How were you so sure before you drew your gun?
If a threat grabs me, he gets thrown to the dam ground, and I run away. What is more important is how in the hell did I get myself caught in the 1st place? Situation awareness vs. situational awareness, I failed both. Hand skills are a requirement for me. I never will pull my firearm out unless it is a break glass situation. If you draw your firearm, put down a threat, and then turn on the flash while heās on the ground to see if he has something in his hand, that is jail time, if I understand that post.
Having a firearm should be the last thing you think about using- That is just me. I train in hand-to-hand, knife, and situational awareness.
Train train train!
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This is making no sense to me. I get attacked by a person that convinces my I need to use my firearm, like Budda says, if he isnāt armed I donāt pull mine. I stop the threat, heās on the ground, itās dark, I canāt see where his weapon is. I turn on my light to see if Iām about to get shot. If I choose to just turn and run I take a risk of being shot in the back. Once I have a light on him he knows and I know.
Itās not making sense to me either. Iām reading it as you canāt see well enough to know if they are a threat, so you shoot them, then stand there and point your gun and WML at them to see if they are a threat
I have also watched or read about a LOT of defensive gun uses over the years, and canāt remember a single one that went anything like that (FWIW I actually canāt think of a single DGU where a WML was used by a concealed carrier at all)
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Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
Police use WML all the time.
If a threat is down, you can turn the weapon mounted light on, keep it aimed at him, until you can retreat safely to call 911.
There was an incident I think either back in 2018, or 2019, Uber driver is driving a woman home, her ex/stalker is road raging with the Uber driver. Somewhere the 2 stopped, driver got out of the vehicle, yelled he had a gun and was going to use it while pointing an object at the Uber driver.
The Uber driver drew his firearm, and fired upon that guy.
It turned out to be a cellphone.
So situations like that do happen, and while that man is on the ground, in a dark area, Iād rather be able to turn my WML on to gain a bit more awareness of whatās going on with him and whatās around him.
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Rather need than not have is a good theory but odds of needing are absolutely a factor in that decision. Body armor or a backpack aed are more likely useful than a wml or a spare mag for example
On the Uber situation would the idea be to draw the gun, point it at the guy, and use the wml to verify that he has a gun before shooting? Was the self defender convicted of a crime in the case you mention?
If you arenāt a cop uou shouldnāt be doing what a cop does. We shouldnāt be doing high risk takedowns of stolen cars pointing our drawn guns at it with lights activated for example. Cops using them is not an argument for ccw using them
When the man is down I an area too dark to see if heās a threat without pointing wml at himā¦how did you identify him as a threat well enough to draw and shoot in the first place?
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When he hit me in the head with his whiskey bottle.
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Slight side note on thatā¦every day wear a helmet or hard hat in case that happens? hehe
No but really as we keep going in circles and I remain unconvinced (any examples out there in the world yet, BTW?), carrying with a WML that you have function tested your firearm for could potentially be an asset, but shouldnāt be a liability, so, have at it
you joke but i actually know quite a few people who wear bump inserts in their regular old baseball hats. a lot of automotive shops require them for employees for low impact head protection. they actually work pretty decent to prevent braining yourself on a lift arm, which happens a lot more often than youd think
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Yeah it was a joke but not a joke in that something like an insert in a baseball cap has my attention. Going to have to contemplate this
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these are the ones i have the most experience with, they breath better than the solid ones and ddont make your head sweat as bad
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Cops and civilians use the same tacticsā¦ā¦.
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My situation is that I only have one handgun, which is used for EDC, but also has to function as my home defense weapon. It is the latter reason that I have a WML always attached. I donāt ever plan on having to use it during EDC, just for home. I also carry a dedicated flashlight as an EDC all the time. No kids at home. If someone is in my house as my wife sleeps next to me, they donāt belong.
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Civilians (meaning private citizens) shouldnāt be conducting high risk/felony stops in which they approach stolen vehicles at night on the side of the road with guns drawn looking to make arrests.
Civilians (private citizens) also should not be attempting to enter and clear strange buildings in the middle of the night because an alarm was triggered.
There are many things police officers/LEOs do in the line of duty that a concealed carrier should not be.
There are many situations where a LEO can point a gun at someone but a regular person could not
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Firearms Depot had a good sale on Olight products, so ordered an Olight PL Pro Valkyrie for my full size FN. That is our house pistol.
Just mounted a Streamlight to my shotgun today.
My next shotty class requires a weapon mounted light, sling, and carrier for the shells.
A little testing in the daylight showed me the light was a good idea.
I just donāt see myself putting a weapon mounted light on my EDC pistol. I always have a separate EDC flashlight with me.
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I also carry a 1000 lumen flashlight with my EDC, a knife as well as pepperspray. My flashlight I carry also has a stungun in it.
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I am supposed to pick up my CCW next week and the week after that I am going back to the night shift. I of course carry a flashlight all night when at work. To read meters and see chemical levels. I am really debating on the need for a gun mounted light. For years I carried and we did not have pistol mounted lightsā¦hell we didnāt have lights mounted on our M-16ās either. I was told years ago that flashlights are bullet magnets, and that is how I have always treated them. Now I am starting to wonder if I should? now that there are more pistols with attachments out there.
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Olights. Got a couple of miniās. Bright as heck, creative styles.
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We need to identify the threat.
Target Aquisition
Target identification
Target isolation
We have our primary flashlight to confront the unknown in the dark. If it comes down to lethal force, Iād rather drop that flashlight and pull my gun and use both hands to stop the attack. You can use the weapon mounted light to help identify on whatās going on with the attacker after heās down, just incase you have to shoot again.
Train with it and learn how to use it. If you donāt need it, remember you donāt have to turn it on, but you have the OPTION to.
Just like how every person out in public we deal with we donāt pull our gun, but if they become a threat, we have the option to.
Who says you need more than 1 round to stop the threat? Most times itās pulling the gun that stops the threat. Does that mean if you have 15 bullets you must use ALL 15 bullets into the perpetrator? No. Same with the flashlight.
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Welcome to the family brother @Eric411 and it is great to have you on board.
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