Disappointed in the USCCA

Well even though his comment may be negative he still has the 1st amendment to protect him as does anyone else in the u.s… it is and always will be my opinion that if you do not feel safe to carry then don’t but don’t try to remove my rights because you don’t feel safe with yours. Beyond that I wish that people would not continue to go to places that they are going to be offended just to see how badly they can become offended just to start trouble.

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Sidecarr I think all people should be required to have a Concealed Carry Course, it is all about what the law says about what you can and cannot do legally, Castle Law, etc. Having spent 20 years in the Navy, a lot of sailors never touched any kind of firearm before bootcamp or since. Lots of reason for both sides, should it be manditory to attend a class? I attended even though i had been through various safety classes, someone who thinks they are above learning something should maybe take a step back and rethink it.

God Bless

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I was qualified expert with both rifle and pistol in the service and while that was valuable training it in no way prepared me for carrying as a civilian.

We’re self defenders in the civilian world and subject to in many cases numerous laws that differ from state to state, even location to location.

We also have both potential civil and criminal liabilities under those laws and no one, no matter what level of police or military training they’ve had is prepared to carry as a civilian without quite a bit of training.

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A agree. Past military service , depending on your position/rank should go towards your ability to get a CCW permit without question, but not all those who serve got the training that makes it a slam dunk. And I say this with respect towards anybody who served in any branch.

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WildRose, I replied with “done” but the algorithm rejected for too few characters. Let’s see if this one works.

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The religious conversation has been pulled out of this conversation (sorry if I missed any of that topic in the split).

You can find the religious portion in its own topic:

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We want people to Honor the 2nd amendment, so we have allow people to use their 1st amendment too.

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Although I agree the 2A aspect-please remember that paying tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and potential incarceration because you exercised that right is the reality we live in.
I have taught hunter safety in Wisconsin for over a decade, and am also a USCCA and NRA instructor (my views are my own and don’t represent any of these organizations). Wisconsin allows hunter safety education to qualify for CCW. While the 4 rules of safety are the necessary first step with firearms, this is only one of the aspects needed to carry responsibly. Learning the legal aspects of using deadly force from a criminal and civil perspective for each and every municipality you plan to carry in is the part of the secret sauce that seems to get lost in the discussion. While the 2A gives us the right, we need to focus just as strongly on the responsibility for safe and responsible carry. I would deem laws around training for CCW sensible. When teaching the class, there is always–always–someone who opines on how they will ‘just show people the gun’ or ‘fire a warning shot’ or ‘drag the body back inside’. We had an attorney present at a class and he laid out all the laws broken under each of those. As an example, ‘showing the gun’ is brandishing in some states, assault in others–a felony. ‘Warning shots’ violated between 5-10 different municipal, state and federal laws depending on where you were. And dragging the body around would be a prosecutor’s winning ticket to potentially disqualify a self defense argument. The class learned the respect they clearly lacked as to the gravity of what M. Ayoob describes as ‘the gravest extreme’–and it’s called that for a reason that few give the necessary gravity to. I would urge everyone to train like crazy, and spend the time necessary to think through and train on potential scenarios. Sweating in training beats bleeding in combat.

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