Credit Cards are Now Coded

I sincerely hope not. I am crazy of buying ammunitions
and I like the range and practice.

Thanks

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This is smelling like a move to punish strickly gun and ammo businesses:
Credit Card Firms to Start Implementing Code for Gun Stores - Bloomberg

" The new code will apply to all purchases at gun and ammunition stores, though gun sales at other types of retailers won’t be captured separately, Bloomberg reported."

So my question regarding purchasing ammo at BassPro answer seems to be gun and ammo sales will not be coded at sporting goods stores, but sales from LGS and on-line gun and ammo sources will.

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Explaining Coding of major cards to monitor guns
and ammunitions purchases.

Watch “WATCH THIS! Credit Card Companies To Track Gun & Ammo Sales” on YouTube

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“They” may indeed be working towards a cashless society since “They” seen to have a fondness and incredibly high tolerance for stupid ideas. Consider that a significant portion of the national economy (of any nation) comprises anonymous, clandestine, and illegal transactions, the vast majority of which are conducted with cash. Cash is the densest, most portable, and most universally accepted form of payment. Imposing a truly cashless economy could cause serious damage to the GDP, up to a complete crash resulting in a massive depression.

The Laws of Unintended Consequences will overwhelm any projected benefits of such a scheme.

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Should “official cash” be phased out at some point in the future, clandestine and illegal transactions would still occur by some other means of payment. Perhaps by simple bartering. There are many businesses in Europe, certainly in Sweden, that do not accept cash, only electronic payments. More and more entities, government in particular, in the US are doing the same.

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This is wild, there’s been talk of this for awhile, so I’m not really surprised.
I wonder if sports stores will count? How do they know my $100 wasn’t spent on Ammon or athletic wear?

I wonder if gun stores could sue over this? This will directly effect business (which is clearly the point).

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Credit card processor can block/defund both the buyer and the merchant. For sports stores, expect pressure on them to divest from selling guns/ammo, and stick to fishing poles.
Should gun industry go to court for this? Absolutely. The ploy is not too thick here, obviously the plan is to victimize honest, legal businesses and citizens.

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I just ordered 5000 rounds of 22LR, I guess I have to set another cup of coffee when the ATF stops by.

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I put those articles in for awareness of those unconstitutional gun laws and Biden’s Administration .

I do not know everything about what is going on, but
It is painful to watch. For years people have been
told and warned of such problems as the ones we are facing. No body wants to live in a communist or
socialism state, but there are even talk of WWIII and
NO ONE wants that war. First, no body wins, total
destruction; numbers 90% total.

The Bank problems and Cashless problems are weapons and have been around for close to 100
years or greater.

The Constitution, 2 Amendment, Our Gun Rights are
Something to get our attention off the reality and problems and situations.

Everyone have opinions and I like that and we can
learn from them. Our Families need each other,
and those family values that the older generations
grew up with are needed. Helping other people in their
difficult times are needed. I am in the group of older
Generations and when I was growing up, I rejected
many values from Families and I regretfully know
now that Good Family Values are needed and the world needs Great People to support and care.

The reason for this message is not to take your guns
away, I train, have several types of firearms, love to
learn about Safety, Fundamentals, and Practice makes perfect. I love the equipment we use and learn each
day too. Learning more the right way is great and
long lasting.

The Family Valves and seeking to help other people
are examples that can help keep others from ending
up in gun fights, drug deals going wrong, drug and alcohol addictions that will never solve any problem.

You can hate Biden and his Administration, you can
Hate the neighbor down the street, hate the neighbor’s dog, but hating something or someone is only a part
of the things we see going on today. Death here on earth is final, not an option.

I know from previous conversations here that credit card companies have many codes. Is this anything new, really? Not sure I totally understand the issue. I’m just a cave man.

“I see this new coding as simply data the powers that be will look into after the fact.”

Given this idea was pushed by Giffords and other anti self defense groups and that its intent is to “flag” “questionable” purchases I seriously doubt it will only be used after the fact.

Since this code will likely apply to all purchases at local gun stores a person will almost certainly get flagged for any high dollar purchase even if that purchase is a large safe. Since the anti self defense media often refers to 3 or more firearms as an arsenal and a handful of mags and or a couple boxes of ammo as possessing a massive amount of ammo I suspect that just about any purchase of more than a few hundred dollars will be considered questionable, flagged and analyzed by a computer to determine what was actually purchased. Then if it meets a certain threshold (More than one firearm? More than 200 rounds of ammo? More than 3 magazines?) it will likely get passed onto law enforcement so they can keep track. Likely in a data base that will keep a running total of all purchases by that individual.

I’m fairly sure the NSA is already doing this but they are less likely to act until after the fact unless they can make some sort of imminent terrorist threat connection. Though according to Biden it doesn’t take all that much to be considered a terrorist these days.

Law enforcement will be drowning in a sea of “suspicious” purchases. Spending all their time tracking millions of law abiding citizens while tens of thousands of criminals walk the streets freely committing violent crimes.

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It’s more of a poor title on the post.

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As I learn more about the Soviets, one of the things that amazes me is how much time, effort, and money they wasted monitoring their own people. Every group of workers had political observers. Every group of political observers had KGB observers. Every group of KGB observers had political observers. The entire empire looked like the proverbial construction crew, with one person digging a hole while 13 managers watch him work.

Can you imagine what the Soviet Union would look like if they had today’s technology?

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https://theconservativeview.com/betrayal-visa-sides-with-gun-control-advocates-with-new-category-change/?fbclid=IwAR1zrw9GMdipLvYjOKq3aRPTONEp5DwF73DbRkwQKptQw-pYJtL86bMIZyg

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Polls are actually less meaningless than ever. Kind of like taking your temperature. 98.6 Is the average human body temperature, if you are at 98.7 or 98.5 it doesn’t mean your are sick…

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Yes, we are rapidly heading towards a cashless society. Look at governments eagerness to control crypto and to develop their own. Expect more card declines if you are buying ammo online or at a store. Also expect more attention when buying a Staccato and a red dot, or that FNH FS2000, or 1,000 rds of ammo. if you use a card. Over enthusiastic credit card companies may have people calling LEO’s or ATF. Even worse, it may come to the point that we are cancelling your card because we do not like what you are spending your money on.

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I just went back through three months of credit card purchases. Clearly identifiable “gun” stores (Sig, etc.) are coded on my statement as “Merchandise - Sporting Goods Stores.” Firearm/shooting related organizations are coded “Miscellaneous Membership Organizations.” Direct online ammo purchases are coded “Miscellaneous - Durable Goods, Not Elsewhere Classified.” What is not clear is who assigns these categories: Do the merchants “self-identify” using a reference standard, or is it up to the discretion of the bank/CC company, or is it done by some obtuse federal agency?

To answer an earlier question, it would appear that each merchant/provider has one (only) category. So, if you were to go to Bass Pro Shops, and they have been re-coded to “Guns and Ammo” and purchased a $12,000 bass boat it would show up on your credit card statement of $12,000 worth of “Guns and Ammo” (or even >$100,000 if it were a motorhome purchase).

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I’ve been thinking :thinking:… general response from us is “pay cash”…what if we got a mess load of folks to do cc 2a purchases simultaneously…like a million ammo purchases on say, Independence Day, or a Friday the 13th. As I explained to my wife this morning while signing a local change.org petition to abolish crt in a school system a couple towns away, I wasn’t born to live in fear or paranoia.
The way we think is why we get steamrolled.

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identified that the guns used in a majority of the most deadly mass shootings in America had been bought legally with credit cards. None of the purchases were flagged by credit card companies or banks.

Virtually every retailing category in the United States has a code that is attached to each credit card transaction — hair salons have one code, for example, while movie theaters have another. But, until now, there was no code for gun stores, often making those transactions indistinguishable within the financial system from those at a retailer that sold fishing rods or tents.

Gun rights advocates say giving gun stores a specific code — known as a Merchant Category Code — could be used to block gun transactions or track gun owners.

This is happening because Visa sold us out. I think a letter writing campaign and boycott might get their attention. In the meantime, I will be using money orders.

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