Conversations useful to our cause

Well, if Elon is setting up for space wars, I guess somebody will need to infringe him if he can’t make the Silverado model come in at a reasonable price. I know it’s going to stretch my budget to throw rocks up at him and down at you.
roadrunner-&-wile-e-coyote

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I want my “affordable” Ferrari… :sunglasses: Can I get a government subsidy? :rofl: The less fortunate should not have to suffer such injustice.

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This has formed itself into such a very useful conversation to our cause.

Your apparent case in the context of this topic is that USCCA members and 2A defenders should take a Constitutional stand to protect capitalist bling from the socialist masses — but you “want” some… Uh-huh.

Wrong cause. Wrong forum. IMHO.

I was pointing out your farcical argument about everyone should be able to have what everyone else has. Obviously, the wealthy will always have things that others cannot afford. Personally, I have no envy nor jealously for others that have a greater ability to obtain “things” than I. I have a greater ability to obtain things than many others. I see no issue with that. I have been fortunate that having worked a long time, have been rewarded for my efforts. Those that have done similarly, I have seen having been rewarded as well.

We can only do just so much to help the less fortunate. That does not make me heartless, but rational. Many years ago, my wife, at her mother’s request, bought her home. It needed a lot of work, and it had a lien worth far more than the current value. My wife made an offer to the lien holder, and bought the home, leaving her mother with about $50,000 clear. She convinced her mother to give it to her children, rather than wait until she died. Very shortly after they got the money, it was all gone.

We have spent a lot of money on her siblings - all much older than her. One time we paid 7 months of mortgage payments to prevent a foreclosure. Less than 3 months later, they were in the same situation.

I do not believe in Socialism. Some fall on hard times, many are in situations of their own making. Helping them can put oneself in the same financial hardship. My wife and I were raised in poor families. We only got out of that by hard work and personal motivation. I do not care that there are others far more affluent - that is what makes the USA so great. People are able to get out of poverty by hard work and personal motivation. Those that are more affluent are putting their money to use by investing, owning businesses, creating jobs, etc., which helps those less fortunate.

…about private ownership of Patriot launchers being guaranteed by the Second Amendment?
or spaceships? or Ferraris?
:mirror:
…wha’evah.

You were the one claiming everyone should be able to have everything everyone else has. That is not farcical? You then try to dismiss my reply with this non-sensical post? You have proven, as I clearly showed, you have no rational point. If you did, you would not have responded as you did.

Yes , More affordable Ferrari’s LOL :us:

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I enjoy political debate and discussion because our entire United States Constitution is under attack, so I think this is the perfect forum when addressing 2nd Amendment issues and certain political parties and elected officials who are treasonous to their oath of office. Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Tactics are great, but mean nothing when popular firearms and magazines are banned. Training is great, but means nothing if we no longer possess the means other than wielding a club. This site is a wonderful forum to share our views and opinions, but rest assured, you will never change the views of those who are targeting gun rights.

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What I said. :arrow_up:

Have seen some change their opinions. But those are very intermitent . Yes our rights are under attack, We must always be on watch :us:

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Yes, those with enough fortitude and integrity to question their preconceived notions and learn from experience, others, and facts.

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Yes sir! There are some honest folks on both sides of those invisible lines that divide us :us:

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The most useful conversations are the ones that are positive.

All people who want to feel safe are potentially pro 2A
All people who are paranoid are potentially anti-2A

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…and vice versa. Awkward, but important to keep in mind. :thinking:

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“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary (see feeling safe) Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

“Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you.”

Both quotes are fitting in my opinion. As awkward as they may seem.

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Look guys, here’s what Gilbert Keith Chesterton wrote:
"What irritates a decent Radical in the Prussian aristocrat is exactly the same thing that irritates a decent Conservative in the Prussian Socialist. It is not a question of opposite extremes…The Junker who despises Socialism and the Socialist who despises Christianity are not opposed to each other. They are not opposite kinds of persons; they are the same kind of person; the kind of person philosophically summarised in the Book of Proverbs under the mystical title of The Fool.
It is not that the aristocrat has one fault and the revolutionist an opposite fault. Both have exactly the same faults which are described in the English Prayer-Book as pride and vain-glory and blindness and hardness of heart.(Illustrated London News, Jan 20, 1912
For a conversation to be useful, I think this must be addressed.
Paranoia is a cult. Safety is an illusion. Paranoia is an illusion. Safety is a cult
See the problem?

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Ummm… No…

Without mutual respect, conversations aren’t going to be useful.
Sort of like a rattlesnake with fangs at both ends
Or Beto O’Rourke talking to himself.

The national conversation is woefully deficient when it comes to mutual respect.
Debates via the internet alarmingly so.

That doesn’t happen here., but then there aren’t anti-2As to converse with, here.

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Maybe not totally against it, but many that do believe in “gun control”. I just watched a video recently that spoke to my comment about educating those willing to learn. This person was anti, and now, after learning about the RKBA, is pro-RKBA and a firearm owner. Here is his video mocking firearm ownership that he referenced in the other video.

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Thanks for posting this, @Dave17. I’d like to understand more about JP’s conversion, what brought him from there to here.

While I was at the Houston Expo last year, I attended Beth (@Beth) Alcazar’s “How to Talk to the Anti Gun Crowd Effectively” seminar. There was a lot of info in her presentation; one key part was how closely people’s political beliefs are tied to their individual sense of self, and therefore how difficult it is to change one’s politics. I’d imagine that when anti-2A sentiment is part of someone’s politics as opposed to something else, a conversion like we see in this pair of videos might be more difficult to impossible.

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