Church qual drill, your thoughts

I do most of these but I need to add reloading to my practice routine


Very generous on the amount of time.

I would never keep a spare mag in my back pocket. It could go anywhere in there. If I need to reload, I want it to be as fast as possible. I want that mag to be exactly where I expect it to be and oriented properly. Yes, sometimes my spare mags are uncomfortable. But it makes me faster and more consistent. Plus, that discomfort helps pinpoint exactly where they are.


Good drill and his presentation is awesome.
I like the way he exposed all the failures and bad habits a lot of carriers are presenting.
That is hilarious, how he apologized for lack of timer… he is so freaking fast that timer is not needed for him. :smile:
One thing I 'd like to point here. Doesn’t seem wrong, but as he said - train like you fight, so remember, once you have to reload - always move at least one step laterally, don’t be an easy target (18:12 on this video).


That’s the way I was taught and train. If something goes wrong (malfunction or empty/slide lock), immediately move laterally while taking a very quick look (don’t need to look if you got a click instead of a bang) and clear it or reload rapidly, then reevaluate if you need to continue to fire before pulling that trigger.

Especially in a church security environment, people might be running any which way, crossing your line of fire (in front of or behind the bad guy). If you train “tap, rack, fire”, your reflexes take over and you’ll likely pull the trigger reflexively, even if your brain tells you not to because someone else is now in your line of sight. There needs to be a brief mental pause in malfunction/reload training to reevaluate the threat and your line of fire before pulling the trigger again. Include that mental prep when shooting paper targets (or dry firing) so that question pops into your head every time you clear a malfunction or e-reload.


One more thought: I’ve trained very little shooting while moving. It’s a difficult skill to learn. Most instructors I’ve come across seem to emphasize move first, stop, then shoot as a more accurate alternative. Mental prep for me has always been getting to a specific location first and then shoot. Especially in a church where you probably have a very large space and lots of people, where are you in relation to the threat and how many people are in your line of sight? I’ve always mentally prepared (and trained) that it’s more likely I’ll have to rapidly close the distance and/or get a better line of sight first (move then shoot) rather than shooting on the move.

I remember a video by Ken Hackathorn talking about people’s response to hearing gunshots. They initially duck, and then typically start running within something like 5-6 seconds after the first shot is fired. After that, members of your church are going to be going everywhere. If I recall, he was talking about the need to identify a threat before they fire and make sure you can draw and get a shot or two off before the chaos of everybody running. After that, you’re most likely in a run, stop, then shoot situation. With so many people moving, I don’t want to add another variable of me moving at the same time.

Correction: Found the video. He mentions 5-6 seconds before people scatter.


It is an excellent drill. There are only 3 concealed carriers among our congregation, and I am one of them. We have to have permission from the pastor to carry. I agree with practicing and training with the use of this drill. The ranges that I attend are all indoors though and do not allow any drawing from the holster. Maybe in the near future the armed members of our church safety team can get more involved in this type of training at an outdoor range. I did practice similar drills with the police department at the outdoor range but that was about 20 years ago.


These drills seem similar to the FBI qualification drill. Though the only movement in the FBI drill is dropping to a knee. The FBI time limits are a little more challenging and the longest shots are 25 yards instead of 15. I have been wanting to add movement on the reload and draws on the FBI test to make it better practice for real life situations.

I think the best/safest way to practice shooting and reloading on the move is with dryfire. It can be done at home or in a discrete outdoor location. Ideally you would have something along the lines of a SIRT pistol or laser cartridge to confirm accuracy. I have a firing pin activated laser cartridge which unfortunately can only confirm my first shot but it was relatively cheap and better than nothing.

I was just starting to seriously practice my shoot on the move skills before my little medical event. I would do most of my reps at home though I am fortunate enough to have many outdoor options to occasionally confirm my skills with live fire while moving. I need to get back to practicing this more often both at home and on the “range”.