No, I didn’t men that at all. People limit themselves because they don’t want to go through the grinder of standing up to them. It comes down to are you willing to lay it all on the line. The left knows that only a very few people will put it all on the line. By making an example of those that do lay it all on the line by taking everything from them and putting them in prison for 50 years sets an example.
Too many people have it too good, me included. I don’t want to lose everything I have nor my family. I feel like the game is rigged and I stand a piss ant’s chance of making it through hell. That’s what makes our founding fathers great. They felt the same way but did it anyway. Our forefathers didn’t get that desire until it was the British saying heads I win, tails you lose. It’s going to take the same thing for the people of today to get that attitude. The the democraps are fast pushing the people to that attitude in my opinion.
So I guess you’re not a member? If anything happens I just call the USCCA and let my insurance benefit deal with it all. All I have to do is shut up and let them write checks and take in the system…
No I’m a member and if a bad guy plucks around and I am put in the position of it’s him or me; I’m all in for me.
Now facing our corrupt federal gubment is a different matter is a different situation. I’m guilty until proven innocent with the odds stacked against me.
And THAT is why the membership insurance benefit is sooooooo important. I have no problems defending myself or others against violence. But it takes a lot of money and expert resources to fight the legal system. So I train HARD to survive an encounter and then I’ll let my Insurance and my lawyers (the real experts) do my fighting in court.
So I sleep like a baby knowing I have both sides of the encounter covered.
That is if the insurance company and the organization decide that you were acting in self defense in a life and death situation. Monday morning QB’ing is a phyco scary be-otch to have to face.
The insurance company (as of last month) doesn’t make that decision. It’s your attorney and the court/judge that makes the coverage determination (as long as no exclusion applies, but you can see the exclusions laid out point by point in the policy)
I was fortunate to have attending one of USCCA’s speaking events, to a small group of us, where the main presenter was one of their members attorneys.
They presented a couple of cases, one of them being the defender/client member was cleared of criminal charges in self defense. However, the family of the burglar filed a law suit in civil court, and the USCCA supported the defendant/client member, and was able to cover his losses in the civil matter.
Ok, Monday Morning QB’ing is a b1txh to face when it’s the judge and your lawyer deciding if you’re covered. Somebody else is still determining whether a benefit that you are paying for is or can used to pay for your lawyer. Defendants get denied types of legal defense options to use all the time. Not a far jump to see the court denying you to not let you use your insurance.
Okay, I’ve broken my rule about conversing with you too long now. Have a good evening.
Someone else is always going to decide. If it was up to “you” to decide, let’s say the attempted trump assassin had survived, if he claimed self defense and was a member with USCCA or a similar group, would you be okay with unlimited defense expenses being used from your membership dollars to pay for his self defense claim because that was what he claimed?
If your lawyer cannot even legally argue self defense…does it matter if you have “coverage” or not? If your lawyer can’t even argue self defense…you’re not getting a self defense claim.
Similarly, if the judge does not even allow self defense to be argued in court…you’re not arguing self defense in court.
Those are the standards and those are the ‘somebody else’. That’s it.
For someone that is NOT a member and has no coverage you seem to have a lot of opinions and self assigned expertise on how this all works for those of us who are and are thoroughly informed in the subject.
Sorry, I read to fast so I apologize. then he needs to read the policy and have a good long talk with the USCCA so he can be educated as to how this works because obviously he’s missing a big point here.
I read most of it last night. There are exceptions in the policy but I don’t know if my pea sized brain can handle lol the lawyer talk. If I’m not mistaken, the issuer reserves the right to make a final decision. But it appears that you would have to act outside the law to void coverage.
There is red flag coverage, as of a little over a month ago. Up to $15,000 in attorney fees for an emergency protective order / red flag.
And the coverage determination, also as of a little over a month ago, is simply your attorney being able to ethically argue self defense and then if and when the court stuff gets going, does the judge allow your lawyer to make a self defense justification argument in court. If those are yes, and no exclusions apply, and the other things are met (you are in fact a member or additional insured, it’s in the coverage territory of The United States, etc) then you have coverage
The issuer aka the Universal Fire and Casualty Insurance Company doesn’t just get to say no
I travel through all 48 states driving semi truck. When i got my carry permit in the state of SD, i was told that there is not a single person in this country that can make me give up my 2nd. That came directly from the Sheriff Dept. I have a mobile safe that I must use when crossing a scale or agricultural inspection site as required by the LA county Sheriff Dept. They are concerned for the safety of their employees obviously. They said , and i quote “other than that, make sure you have enough ammunition”. No state or employer or anyone can take away your right to carry. Period.
It can be our opinion than laws in place violation the Constitution, but legally, we (random individuals) don’t get to make that determination.
If the courts (one branch) side with the legislators (second branch) on a bill that was signed into law by the executive (third) branch…legally we can be arrested, charged, convicted, and put in prison.