# Bill drill competition 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** On Range\ **Created:** [April 11, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341 "2024-04-11T21:00:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Todd30](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/todd30/32/40525_2.png) [@Todd30](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Todd30)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/1 "2024-04-11T21:00:10Z")
The Bill Drill is a simple and important drill to practice. Six rounds from the draw into the A zone at 7 yards. This replicates a defensive reaction to stop a threat. Using a timer show your timed shots and show your target. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/d/7/d7a52c1f26607f257366ec8f2f976f38aba1c03f.jpeg) Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![John1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@John1505](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/John1505)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/2 "2024-04-11T22:42:20Z")
I am training at home right now with a SIRT. I can print this out on a piece of regular sized paper (8 1/2" x 11"). Should I put this at seven yards for that size or do I need to adjust the distance? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Shamrock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/shamrock/32/24612_2.png) [@Shamrock](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Shamrock)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/3 "2024-04-12T01:38:02Z")
It would be pretty impressive If you print that out to 8.5” by 11” and could keep all your shots in the A zone at 7 yards while shooting as rapidly as you can with live fire. Though with a SIRT you don’t have to deal with recoil so it probably can be done fairly quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 4:45am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/4 "2024-04-12T04:45:14Z")
@John1505 , simple math can help you: If your original IPSC target is 30" tall and you shoot it from 7 yard, you can use 8" tall copy of that target and shoot it from 2.5 yards to simulate the same distance. However @Shamrock is right, using SIRT you get advantage of no recoil so your time will be about 20% - 25% shorter pressing laser trigger, not a real one. I would go with proposed challenge and shoot 8" target’s copy at 7 yards. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Will\_B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/will_b/32/102791_2.png) [@Will\_B](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Will_B)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 4:51am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/5 "2024-04-12T04:51:25Z")
Soooo,… Where do I get those targets to take to my local range? I certainly don’t have a 30’ printer!!! ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 4:56am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/6 "2024-04-12T04:56:41Z")
> **[IPSC-Paper Target](https://targets.net/products/ipsc-paper)** > > Qualification Targets Inc Product IPSC-Paper Target has the IPSC/USPSA Training Target zones printed on Paper. 23" x 35" Paper or if you have any full size target you can simply use the back of it and draw A-ZONE using this chart: ![uspsa](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/c/b/cb2c613ff1bff84244159e90ee239969060eb6e3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 11:25am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/7 "2024-04-12T11:25:50Z")
Most ranges should have a target with an A zone like that. The USCCA Universal Shooting Target has, among many other things, an A zone box you could use for this. $10 for 10 targets and of course free shipping as a USCCA member. You’ll be hard pressed to beat this price. > **[10 USCCA Universal Shooting Targets - USCCA Store](https://store.usconcealedcarry.com/gear-accessories/training-gear-range/targets-and-range-bags/10-uscca-universal-shooting-targets/)** > > A one-size-fits-all target - includes IDPA and IPSC/USPSA zones PLUS access to a new drill every week! ---
**Author:** ![RangeMatt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/rangematt/32/84115_2.png) [@RangeMatt](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/RangeMatt)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/8 "2024-04-12T16:24:09Z")
I usually order them by the case off of amazon [https://a.co/d/4rQ4Mit](https://a.co/d/4rQ4Mit) ---
**Author:** ![Will\_B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/will_b/32/102791_2.png) [@Will\_B](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Will_B)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/9 "2024-04-12T17:33:35Z")
My local stopped carrying the full size ones, only have the 75% ones now. I followed Matt’s idea and ordered some off Amazon. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/10 "2024-04-12T17:55:21Z")
Looks to me like the USCCA store ones are half the price…just sayin’ $1 each USCCA and $2 each on the above link ---
**Author:** ![John1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@John1505](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/John1505)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/11 "2024-04-12T18:25:17Z")
@Shamrock @Jerzees Thanks, good advice. I am not so concerned with time right now as grip, accuracy, trigger control, and sight alignment, etc… Even with no recoil the SIRT helps, in particular, when ill or on the road and unable to attend a range. I have not been to the range for a while because of several situations. ---
**Author:** ![RangeMatt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/rangematt/32/84115_2.png) [@RangeMatt](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/RangeMatt)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/12 "2024-04-12T18:32:25Z")
Yeah, not sure why but that listing has changed. I just ordered a 100 pack for $65 not that long ago. I dont even see them offered in the full 100 pack atm. I have a bunch of the uscca ones as well but try to save them more for doing drills and insteucting other people. ---
**Author:** ![Shamrock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/shamrock/32/24612_2.png) [@Shamrock](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Shamrock)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/13 "2024-04-12T19:31:50Z")
> [@John1505](#): > > Even with no recoil the SIRT helps Completely agree. I use my SIRT pistol a lot for dry fire practice as well as get to my gun and retention drills with my martial arts coach. ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/14 "2024-04-12T23:35:41Z")
Agreed. No speed needed for SIRT drills. Non failure consistency is the base for being a good shooter. That’s why we practice fundamentals over and over again. I was just referring to @Todd30 competition… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Todd30](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/todd30/32/40525_2.png) [@Todd30](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Todd30)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/15 "2024-04-16T23:19:55Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/b/b/bb9870beb4f811046705778c01f1b6f8d6f533a9.jpeg) 2.1 seconds with one miss ---
**Author:** ![Todd30](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/todd30/32/40525_2.png) [@Todd30](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Todd30)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/16 "2024-04-16T23:22:12Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/7/f/7fdc548dc29d77b9444a3a5ca02e8392acc55c5d.jpeg) second try at 7 yards one more miss 2.4 seconds ---
**Author:** ![Todd30](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/todd30/32/40525_2.png) [@Todd30](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Todd30)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/17 "2024-04-16T23:26:09Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/2/7/270993c39a02409bca5e630ecc08218ab4213ec5.jpeg) 5 seconds What did I see? Speed = misses What did I learn? Need to practice and train more, Allergies are not helping, my eyes are really bothering me. ---
**Author:** ![Michael1705](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/94ad74/32.png) [@Michael1705](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Michael1705)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/18 "2024-04-19T20:34:10Z")
I like Bill Drills, it’s a good way to work on controlling the gun. My fastest run ever is 1.57 seconds from a OWB holster. I’m not sure what my time would be with my carry rig, I’d guess about 1.9 seconds. Most of the time lost would be the draw, plus I tend to split a touch slower with the EDC vs range guns. ---
**Author:** ![Michael1705](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/94ad74/32.png) [@Michael1705](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Michael1705)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/bill-drill-competition-2024/102341/19 "2024-04-19T20:37:40Z")
Speed in itself doesn’t equal misses. When you’re speeding up something is breaking down. Slowing down isn’t the fix. Looks like you’re over returning the gun. Can you see it, or feel it when it happens? Pay close attention to what your hands are doing.