Atlanta fire captain suspended without pay for rushing into burning house to

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Ironically it’s linked to theblaze.com!

I otherwise have no comment

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@RocketPak @Sneezy But I know Fireman or Firewoman is a dangerous job but isn’t possible dangerous situations part of the job description?

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The rules for backup are very explicit, if one of his crew had done this he would have disciplined
them or have been forced to. As a former Volunteer Fireman (6 years) this rule was pounded into our thick skulls. :crazy_face:

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Unfortunately rules are rules… and job like “Fireman”/ “Firewoman” doesn’t accept breaking the rules, no matter what.
Hard to comment this… :pensive:
But I’m with Captain Dwyer and probably would do the same…

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@BRUCE26 & @Jerzy I didn’t really know what Firefighter protocol is, now I have a general understanding.

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@Robert8 The protocol as I remember it is. You will only enter into a burning building in pairs, in full gear including Scott air pack and radio for communication. You will have two other Fireman in full gear behind you at the entry point to wait and see if you and your partner need saving or help in recovery. Behind them will be a fully charged water line to beat the fire back if needed, manned by a dedicated Fireman. At all times you will be in constant contact with the Captain or O.I.C. to give a reconnaissance and situation report. An entry will only be attempted if it is determined to be feasible (a likelihood of success and safety). “The life of a Rescuer is not worth the life of a victim.” this axiom is skirted every day by Fire, Police, EMS and Search and Rescue and sometimes you have to take the slap on the wrist for your split second decision.
The decision to suspend him would have been no different if the victim had lived.

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@BRUCE26 Oh I see, ok I understand you. Well Thank You Bruce.

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Soon nobody will be doing their jobs, police, fire, paramedics, doctors. I think the only ones left to be doing their jobs will be lawyers.
The worlds run amok. What used to be right is now wrong and what used to be wrong is still wrong. That’s the liberal sociopathic way. Embrace the suck.

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You Are Very Welcome Robert. It is a very fine and defined line the Rescue Services walk. I didn’t include our Military because that Service is another step up, although Law Enforcement sees much the same Valor and dedication.

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I hear your pain Brother. :angry: New York P.D. is a good example of Good and Dedicated Officers
being persecuted for doing their jobs.

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I may be wrong to feel this way since what he did was against protocol, but I expect since the woman succumbed to her injuries, this heroic man has probably punished himself enough for not going in sooner, making the need for further discipline unnecessary. Since when is risking your own life to save someone else’s a bad thing? Isn’t that decision one of those personal choice things that every human being is entitled to? Kind of like the choice to carry or not…

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This is right in line with Supreme Court ruling that says police do not have an obligation to protect you.

In the LEO setting, it means if there’s a riot or a zombie horde, the police can stand down and let you manage it for yourself, even if they could intervene. Partly that is to protect police assets and lives.

I haven’t read the details on why that was decided, but many protocols are designed to protect LEOs, and in this case fire department employees, from excessively risky behavior, and in some cases to protect the departments against suits by injured employees. Safety First, even if it risks the public welfare.

On one side, I get this… triage and risk-based decision making is a very important thing. His choice placed an important fire department asset at risk. On the other hand, here’s a man who made a courageous choice and put his life on the line for another human being. His altruistic choice should not be punished.

I’m going with human compassion trumps protection of fire department “assets”. I think the department is going to get a whole lot of flack about this.

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Fine! After you give him the medal of valor (or whatever that department calls it), give his a paid suspension for braking the rules, otherwise known as a vacation.

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Wisconsin[edit]

CHAPTER 946: CRIMES AGAINST GOVERNMENT AND ITS ADMINISTRATION SUBCHAPTER IV: INTERFERENCE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT

946.40 Refusing to aid officer.[61]

(1) Whoever, without reasonable excuse, refuses or fails, upon command, to aid any person known by the person to be a peace officer is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor. (2) This section does not apply if under the circumstances the officer was not authorized to command such assistance.
Wow, I found this in WIKI, sounds a bit unfair :unamused: All states are listed.

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KRS 70.060 Sheriff may command power of county.
Any sheriff, deputy sheriff or other like officer may command and take with him the
power of the county, or a part thereof, to aid him in the execution of the duties of his
office, and may summon as many persons as he deems necessary to aid him in the
performance thereof.

This statute authorizes all law enforcement in KY to call on any person for reasonable assistance.

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I was a volunteer firefighter since 94’ an EMT-INTERMEIDIATE from 2003-2018… There is an act of duty to preform and save a life reguargless of our own safety. When on the scenes if an accident, a fire, a domestic call involving a child or innocent person, we don’t think of our protocols first. Our minds are on saving that persons life or the lives of the people involved. We don’t think about the person on the ledge about to jump, or the young lady who tried to slice her wrist, or the fire that was set by an arsonist. Those people can sue us fir saving their lives. It has happened. Continues to happen. Would i continue to save lives regardless off protocols, you bet your ass, because it would eat me up more knowing i let someone die cause i didn’t try because i was afraid of the consequences more than it would if waited to be told to my job.

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That statement of purpose is what defines (to me, anyway) one who’s life calling is to serve.

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