Honestly I am not sure. I know that when I lived there I purchased a pistol and the local gun store took my 15 round mags and replaced them with 10 rounders. I wasn’t happy lol
My wife and I live in IL and both have our ILCCW licenses. We have children living in VA and NC. They and their spouses are also CCW licensed in their respective states. We travel there often and when we fly would like to not have to go through the hassle of transporting our handguns. Could we legally store an extra firearm at each of their homes for use when we are there? If not, could they legally loan us one of their firearms while we are visiting?
I cannot speak specifically to each states laws, however, all I have seen deal with possession of firearms which does not necessarily mean ownership. If you can legally possess a firearm, it does not matter who owns it with a few exceptions, I.e. stolen or NFA firearms.
This is not legal advice.
The couple standing outside their home in Saint Louis with rifle and hand gun, facing the crowd of people, would USCCA defend them? (If they are members)
@MikeBKY I agree regarding the matter of who’s firearm it is . With the exception of perhaps “those states”, unless the firearm is reported as stolen then loaning or staging someone else’s firearm for your self-defense should not be an issue. Except for “those states” no one has a clue on ownership. I am pretty sure that the USCCA would cover me for any “weapon” used in a legitimate self-defense situation, regardless of ownership or weapon. Example, a firearm or knife doesn’t matter.
It’s like if I am unarmed and someone attempts to use their firearm on me… In a struggle I somehow get their firearm and use it against them. They can’t declare it was not my gun, or I stole it from them. Right?
@David511 - first of all, welcome to the community.
Regarding your question, please understand what USCCA is for - we support each other in our firearms training and preparing for when we may be called upon to use them in defense of a human life. In the case of the St. Louis couple, they did not fire their guns.
What kind of defense are you expecting USCCA to offer the couple?
Is there a ccw that covers all states for over the road truckers?
@James498 Welcome to the community!
To answer your question… No. There are laws in the works for national reciprocity, but that is pretty much dead.
Thanks good to be here. Glad to have the support always liked an interlocking field of fire. Sounds like the couple are being charged with brandishing a firearm. Sometimes when defending yourself or family from a threat, you do not always have to fire your weapon. (the bad guys may break contact when they realize that you are armed) Would they have to fire their weapon in the air or ground to be covered? (not a good practice) Far left DA’s like to charge anyone for anything just to prove a antigun point. I guest I was asking USCCA what if I do not have to fire my weapon to stop the threat are we covered / defended by USCCA…
That’s a great question for an attorney. I’m not an attorney. @MikeBKY - are you able to give us the benefit of your legal wisdom on this?
@David511 - you can also find a local attorney in the USCCA network to answer that question.
You need to look to the Membership Agreement to see the actual benefits. Here is the link. https://www.usccamemberterms.com/
My understanding of the agreement is that if you are acting in self defense then you will be covered. This would apply in you whether you had to fire your weapon or not. Ideally, if you have to draw a weapon, that is enough to discourage an attacker and prudence and trigger control should not be punished because you chose not to shoot.
@Dawn can probably give some insight on this as well.
I agree with you. If you were approached in a threatening manner and were able to disarm them and use their weapon against them. They can always argue that you stole it from them, however, if it was in the midst of a robbery or burglary, I would think it would fall on deaf ears. Except in Portland, Seattle, Chicago …
Ergo my PC comment… “those states”.
I would like to know what the actual Michigan law is on gun storage? I have researched this multiple times and I find the same thing that it is recommended to store the gun an ammo separately and that you can be held responsible for unauthorized use. Nothing that specially states how the gun has to be stored.
Don’t get me wrong, I store it in a safe at night but my question pertains more to keeping it loaded in the safe.
Double check with your local sheriff and self-defense attorney for how the laws will be interpreted in your area, @Roger35. Also, I highly suggest taking a Concealed Carry and Home Defense Fundamentals Course or a Defensive Shooting Level 1 & 2 for training on how to store your gun.
If you’re storing it loaded in a safe, be sure to be able to remove it from the safe safely - without grasping the trigger. I know a lot of people who store their firearms loaded with a trigger cover in their safe. Something like:
Thank you for your reply. I spoke with another trainer last night on this as well. The Sherriff and the state police were actually no help on it. They recommend speaking with an attorney. I am a CPL holder in Michigan and I have just completed the online portion of the Concealed Carry and Home defense plus I have read the book. I was just wondering if there was a specific law on it and if so, where I could find it. Not that I don’t like to hear opinions on it. If I have learned nothing else from the USCCA, it’s that I need to verify the information. As we all know, I am the one left responsible, if I do anything wrong. I thank you for your time, and I appreciate the response.
I watched a very interesting video today, and would love to hear what other brilliant minds think about this topic on "saying nothing (of course, in a self-defense situation.
Where I live, it is required to remain on the line with 9-1-1, and with adrenaline flowing, The gray area of who to call first arises. Thank you. I Asked Massad Ayoob About Saying Nothing
This is the video.
Excellent video and the same advice, more or less, as is given by USCCA. The first story told will stick around no matter how well or how often it is disproved.
Look at the Breona Taylor story. It is still being told as the police entering the wrong apartment on a no-knock warrant and shooting her in her bed.
As I understand the facts, she was named in the warrant, her correct address was on the warrant, witnesses report hearing the police knock and announce themselves, and she was shot in the hallway when the police returned fire after her boyfriend fired at them from behind her. Oh, and she hadn’t been an EMT for about two years. She left that job, allegedly to settle claims that she was stealing drugs from the ambulances on behalf of her dealer ex-boyfriend, for whom the police also had active warrants.
Get your minimal version of events in the record as soon as possible, promise to cooperate fully and testify, then invoke your right to counsel before any further questioning.
Thank you for the information.
I cannot give legal advice with respect to Michigan law. That said, a cursory review of Michigan law did not show any storage requirements for firearms with the exception of storage by FFLs and the requirement that all firearms come with a lock. The only thing I found on point is this pamphlet. https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/msp-203_-_PDF_286476_7.pdf