Ashli Babbit lawsuit

All well and good but in todays Political World, the distain for Donald Trump by the left has made:

This illegal:
“Ashli loved her country and wanted to show her support for President Trump’s America”

Taken this away:
“her God-given, American liberties and freedoms.”

Say this is OK, it supports “The Cause”:
“Lt. Byrd later confessed that he shot Ashli before seeing her hands or assessing her intentions or even identifying her as female. Ashli was unarmed. Her hands were up in the air, empty, and in plain view”

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Is this the same @Shamrock that said, on another thread, someone breaking windows doesn’t reach the level of deadly force?

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Several people just smashed one of the windows to your home and are trying to break several other windows. One person from the crowd climbs up into the broken window. How much time are you going to spend assessing their intentions, identifying their sex or making 100% certain they aren’t armed?

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The one and only:) To my eye these are entirely different scenarios and as others pointed out Babbit didn’t break the window she got up into it with the look to me of someone trying to actually enter.

Is this the same person posting all the laws justifying the use of force against someone breaking windows and potentially trying to enter?:wink:

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Well Kinda, I don’t say you shot ALL of them, but I would at least hope they believe it’s an option…

My problem with this case is, She was unarmed (No Paver Bricks) and He didn’t see her commit a crime but He Shot (ran over with a golf cart) her anyways.

I suspect, and maybe rightly so, he was scared &h!++le$$ and judging from his history wasn’t really good at handling major stress. So when confronted with a crowd, and probably told they were insurrectionists, he shot first and asked no questions.

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Leo23 your one hundred percent right!! Had that cappatel that word where every one was scared KAZ whitey was COMING TO BRAKING WINDOWS AND SCREAMING WHITE BOYS MATTER WE HAVE AN INSURECKSON THAT WORD CRACKERS GONE WILD !!! But if that police officer had of BEEN WHITE AND SHOT A BLACK MILITARY . Lady THEY WOULD HAVE GAVE THAT POLICE OFFICER . DEATH PENALTY .PDQ. KAZ WHITE PEOPLES HAVE TO PAY FOR MAKING THIS COUNTRY . And I am at least . Half Indian . And I don’t want Debbie ann to put me in a camp . For being .STUPID!! But I don’t have all the problems that my WHITE FAMLY. Has . KAZ IAM SPECIAL . Seriously white peoples are being desperate that word because they are white!! I have never . Had any one hate me because I am not white . But I see my family . Not being treated right and when I am with them . No problems KAZ they have an Indian . So that makes them alright!! Yes white PEOPLES ARE BEING MISTREATED AND THEY ARE THE MINORITY . Now we have more people from Latin countries here . What I am saying is my FAMILY GETS TREATED BETTER WHEN I AM WITH THEM . And THATS NOT RIGHT. KAZ WE ALL MATTER . AMERICANS MATTER. . I am safe by not being white every RACE EXCEPTS ME. . I DEFINITELY DIFFERENT . And I LOVE ALL PEOPLE THAT DOES NOT PIZZ. Me off :heart::white_heart::blue_heart::owl::feather::feather::v:t5::popcorn::beer::popcorn::beer::popcorn::chile::us::brick::brick::brick::brick::partying_face::sparkles::sparkles::sparkles:

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Gonna be tough given the way Joe has set up house (and government), but stranger things have happened. Wanna add. $30 million is chump change compared to what Hunter made in China. Add a zero to that number. F Joe Biden and his government!

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Mike 164 I LOVE YOU BROTHER AND RESPECT YOU!! I BLEAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THAT COP . WAS THE REASON HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AN OFFICER OF THE LAW . He could not even see WHERE HE WAS FIRING . IF YOU ARE . SO AFRAID THAT YOU DO NOT IDENTIFY YOUR TARGETS!! You SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER . And FOR THE WHITE HOUSE . My GOD YOU SHOULD BE THE BEST OF THE BEST. To get that GIG. He WAS THE ONLY POLICE OFFICER TO SHOOT ANY ONE THERE THAT IS STRANGE AND A HATE CRIME . But what DO I KNOW I AM A WAGON BURNER. Debbie ann and MOMA said SO . LOVE YA ALL Bobby Jean and my Debbie ann GERMEN :smiling_face_with_three_hearts::us::chile::heart::white_heart::blue_heart::smiling_face_with_three_hearts::owl::feather::feather::v:t5::100::100::100:

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Two Jake’s put some music to that and I will dance to that soon as someone writes the song :notes: I can’t believe Americans have let this karazy crap :poop: HAPPEN TO OUR COUNTRY THREE YEARS OF DEZASTER THAT F.en word ROOT BEER :beer: AND NO POPCORN NONE TILL WE GET SOME REAL LEADERS LOVE Bobby Jean and my Debbie ann :heart::white_heart::blue_heart::chile::us::smiling_face_with_three_hearts::owl::feather::feather::100::100::100::cherry_blossom::cherry_blossom::cherry_blossom::sparkles::sparkles::sparkles::notes::notes::bangbang:SIR

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I agree Mike. 100%

Did this POS SEE a GUN? NO!, she didn’t HAVE one.
Was she still on the other side of the Door? YES!
Did they break through said door and physically ATTACK him/them? NO!
It was a bunch of people (who were escorted in on further review) that were
shouting and Protesting and Joe Not-so-cool Fired! BLINDLY!
A Window got broken WOW! ARREST HER FOR VANDELISM!
You don’t Call in the F15’s!

Shamrock, sorry but I disagree, A mob is forming outside my house, They break some windows!
I’ll be extremely upset! I’ll even be PISSED!
They shout, the scream but YOU DON’T SHOOT! They are Outside! The Stucco may take a beating, the windows need replacing but I’m GUN’s UP! and ready, I see a Weapon AIMED AT ME! WEAPON’S FREE!
They shoot my big screen I’ll send them to Hell! (Kidding)
They climb threw the window I see Knives, Pipes, 2x4’s , Bats, a Tuna! I won’t be saying please don’t do that! I’ll apply (5) of pressure RAPIDLY!
and I’ll (usually) be in the right! (In today’s climate, who knows) The Attacker’s dead bodies will be in my house! their weapons will be scattered all over my floor.
If I shot people every time I felt ‘threatened’ on I-40 My body count would rival Jim Jones!
As a Peace Officer/ Security/CCW holder/ John 'Q’Public with a right to have a gun in my home you have to gauge other’s intent, gauge the THREAT! WE ALL HAVE TO!
Did that guy in the Taqueria in Texas act out irrationally! NO! a SKELL was waving and pointing
a GUN at everybody! He WAITED for a chance and he took it. TOY gun it turns out, oh well FAFO!
He (capitol Poe Poe) wasn’t Protecting his Charges, He got scared, rattled, and he Panicked!
He broke down after because he KNEW HE PHUCKED UP!
We Humans Phuck up it happens
We Humans with Guns Phuck up and somebody could get dead! Ask Ashli’s parents!
There is No do-overs, No director to yell ‘CUT’ and we get off the floor.
THAT is why I Train
Practice
Muscle Memory kicks in
Hopefully (God willing) I don’t twitch and pull the trigger accidently
(But that is why my finger is trained to be off the trigger in the first place)
Follow the (4) rules and you will be OK
If you can’t you shouldn’t have a GAT!
Hit them w/ your Fire Extinguisher!

It’s NOT YOU Shamrock, I am saying most of this to the Newcomers!
He could have hit her w/ OC spray, Used his baton, Punched he in the face.
NO, Inexperience reaches for the GUN first ! Lack of training prevailed, Ashli got DEAD.

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Regardless of what anyone thinks about the validity of the election I think most would agree that our politicians have the right to go through the election process without people trying to smash their way into the proceedings? To allow groups of people open access to disrupt government proceedings would just set the precedent for mob rule.

Even if J6 was a mostly peaceful protest there were obviously at least some people there committing acts of violence and trying to enter areas that they were not invited into. Maybe some were mislead into thinking they were invited to go anywhere they wanted when they were allowed into the building? But I think locked and barricaded doors with armed guards behind them are a pretty clear “you are not welcome past here” message.

So all the security guards assuming the people they were in charge of protecting were under direct threat and that the people breaking windows and coming through them were in the process of committing crimes seems pretty reasonable to me.

If your job is to protect members of the U.S. government and you have a large group of people breaking through one of your last lines of defense I can see good reason for being scared crapless and consciously or subconsciously thinking you might need to pull the trigger at any moment.

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Not to mention, he blindly shot, with limited visibility, into a crowd.

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Mike 164 if anyone shoot a person for braking a window and people say that the DEATH PENALTY IS IN ORDER !!! Our country is going to have war THATS when we get killed for a window and misdemeanors it’s time for war when a misdemeanors !! Are a DEATH PENALTY !! It is time for the change. For GOOD LOVE Bobby Jean​:cherry_blossom::heart::white_heart::blue_heart::chile::us::smiling_face_with_three_hearts::100::100::100::owl::feather::feather::notes::notes:

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True Mike,
He could have shot somebody IMPOTENT like a Congressperson! WOAH! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Like a congressperson! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Important! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:I’d give him a medal then! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:he can have one of mine! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Oh, wphew! I kill me!

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Find the original video angle that isn’t all cut up and laced with commentary if you can. She is not merely looking through the window and is not on the opposite side of the door from the officer when she was shot. To me it looked like she climbs up into the window and is clearly leaning in when the shot is fired. It seems clear to me she was trying to enter.

Did the officer need to fire? Probably not. But how many more people come through the window if she makes it in? So was he justified in thinking ‘Oh crap they are coming through!’ I think yes. He would have had a fraction of a second to determine if she was armed and if the rest of the people there were trying to enter as well.

The interesting thing is that it is now impossible for me to find any unedited video from the original angle. I just spent the last half hour looking through various videos. I can see the right leaning media not showing that angle unedited. But not seeing it on left leaning media makes me wonder if if the left wants to incite the right by removing all the evidence of what appears to me to be Babbit trying to enter through the window and over the barrier.

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Unfortunately there are pretty much no information sources that can be believed these days.

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The Left Leaning Media :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting: :face_vomiting: Brother? Incite the right? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmwphew!mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmNah! they wouldn;t do that!
I apologize Brother Sham, I really do.
I talk outta my Posterior too much, I didn’t mean to turn my vitriol crap for this lack of administration on you.

Mea Culpa.

Where We Go 1 We Go All (Just not ‘them’)

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No apology needed. There is a lot to be upset about with the way things are going these days. I always value your input as someone who has actually had to deal with making these kind of split second life or death decisions. My knowledge is all second hand research and first hand training based. Fortunately none of my real life threatening situations to this point have ended in physical violence​:fist::wood:

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Fewer than were interacting with officers in that room that were not being harmed. There was no threat of physical harm from anyone that was there, with the obvious exceptions of the police officers that killed at least two people - brutally beat one to death and shot the other. Both women and both not a threat to the officers that killed them.

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