# Arizona gun liscense **URL:** \ **Category:** Legal & Second Amendment\ **Created:** [April 2, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938 "2019-04-02T10:16:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Casey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/casey/32/411_2.png) [@Casey](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Casey)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/1 "2019-04-02T10:16:32Z")
I noticed people in Michigan are getting their Arizona cpl so they dont have register their guns in Michigan does anyone know if this is legal? The only thing I can see as a benefit would be not having to register your guns from what I read anyone know if this is true an if there are other benefits to having the Arizona license ---
**Author:** ![Dawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/dawn/32/24_2.png) [@Dawn](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Dawn)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/2 "2019-04-02T14:55:13Z")
Legally, handguns can only be purchased in your home state, @Casey. If you purchase it out of state it needs to be sent to an FFL in your state for all of the necessary paperwork. > **[To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA? | Bureau of...](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca)** > > A person may transfer a firearm to an unlicensed resident of their state, provided the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the transferee is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law. There may be... “Generally, for a person to lawfully transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person who resides out of State, the firearm must be shipped to a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) within the transferee’s State of residence. The transferee may then receive the firearm from the FFL upon completion of an ATF Form 4473 and a NICS background check.” An Arizona CCW doesn’t give a Michigan resident any additional state reciprocity that I can tell from our [map](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/mi-gun-laws/), so I don’t know why they would get an AZ permit. ---
**Author:** ![Casey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/casey/32/411_2.png) [@Casey](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Casey)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/3 "2019-04-02T17:23:59Z")
@Dawn that’s what I was thinking but seems they still buy the gun in Michigan but dont register it because they have the az. ccw seems shady to me! ---
**Author:** ![Spence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/spence/32/16036_2.png) [@Spence](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Spence)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/4 "2019-04-02T17:49:31Z")
The firearms are still purchased in Michigan. Michigan doesn’t have a true handgun registration. Rather sales are tracked instead. Since many states don’t require registration, or in this case sales records, there had to be wordage in the law to allow for people moving from those states. This is where non resident cpls come in. They allow you to sidestep the tracking process legally. The only other option would be for folks coming from those states being required to commit a felony by falsifying documents. Obviously they cannot list themselves as both buyer and seller, legally you cant do that. Additionally, if you build your own, such as AR pistols, you absolutely want to have one of the nonresident cpls from another state because once again you cannot list yourself as both buyer and seller, this is a felony. MSP has you do exactly this when building your own or coming from another state. Hopefully this helps clear that up. Also, Arizona is not the only state that allows for non residents to get a cpl, it’s just the most popular due to them accepting our CPLs as proof of training. ---
**Author:** ![Dawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/dawn/32/24_2.png) [@Dawn](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Dawn)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/5 "2019-04-02T18:08:13Z")
Welcome to the Community, Justin! > [@Spence](#): > > They allow you to sidestep the tracking process legally. Sorry, I’m not following you @Spence. You have to have a background check to purchase a gun legally and it has to be in your home state with a valid state ID. How would an out-of-state permit change anything there? If you’re moving, you don’t need to send your firearms through an FFL as you’re not selling them at all. ---
**Author:** ![Spence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/spence/32/16036_2.png) [@Spence](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Spence)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/6 "2019-04-02T18:14:03Z")
It doesn’t. All it does is let you take the piece of paper you’re supposed to turn in to your local PD and do what you want with it. Not “registering” is a civil infraction with a one time fine of $250. Having an out of state CPL exempts you from the civil infraction. I know I’m not explaining it as well as the attorneys at Michigan Open Carry do, i apologize for that. Let me go tether my pc and hopefully i can snag you some links that explain it better. ---
**Author:** ![Spence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/spence/32/16036_2.png) [@Spence](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Spence)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/7 "2019-04-02T18:20:15Z")
> **[It's Time to Opt-Out of Handgun Registration. Here's How.](https://miopencarry.org/news/2015/06/Opt-Out-Of-Handgun-Registration?fbclid=IwAR0sel-OgtThsMvMVvlYJ7yWxi89ytx363ssvakrWEw5XGICy3WSHHnfXrg)** > > UPDATE: On June 19th, 2018, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette published Opinion #7304 confirming the main points of this article. Our article on it is published here: Attorney General Opinion Confirms Major Paradigm Shift for Michigan Pistol... Here, this link is to Michigan Open Carry’s article. I was going to link to the MCL they are listing but the link breaks. Very clearly does it list in MCL 28.432 (1)(f) that an exempt individual is " " _A **United States citizen** holding a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person **issued by another state**._ “” This is in regards to “registration”. Hopefully Michigan just does away with registration in the future ---
**Author:** ![Dawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/dawn/32/24_2.png) [@Dawn](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Dawn)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/8 "2019-04-02T18:31:32Z")
Thanks for the link! I’ll check it out, @Spence Sounds like it’s a useful loophole to some. ---
**Author:** ![Casey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/casey/32/411_2.png) [@Casey](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Casey)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/9 "2019-04-02T19:12:57Z")
Yeah I was confused as to why it was done also I know when buying a gun in Michigan ya had to turn in the registration but was unsure of the reasoning behind having the out of state cpl also I’m glad you chimed in @Spence also welcome to the group ---
**Author:** ![Spence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/spence/32/16036_2.png) [@Spence](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Spence)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/10 "2019-04-02T19:20:53Z")
Thank you. Hopefully you find that information helpful. I’m not going to advocate for it one way or another, i’m just passing information along that I believe to be true. And based on what information I’ve read, obtaining an out of state non resident CPL is the only way to legally build your own AR pistols in Michigan. I may be wrong, but since that’s something I plan on doing eventually I’m not taking any chances! ---
**Author:** ![Spence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/spence/32/16036_2.png) [@Spence](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Spence)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/arizona-gun-liscense/938/11 "2019-08-19T22:29:12Z")
It just came to my attention that the Prosecuting Attorneys Office of Sterling Heights Michigan was just forced into dropping charges against a gentleman with an “unregistered” pistol because of his nonresident Arizona CPL. After being presented with the exact wording of the law and the mans Arizona CPL the prosecutor admitted he didn’t have a case and dropped the charges entirely.