The 9mm G2 is inferior to quality traditional JHP options. Penetration is acceptable (on the lower end, but acceptable), however, the silly petals fold away and drop off way-short on penetration and the light leftover core doesn’t expand at all from the 9mm starting diameter (final of 0.356" which is exactly where where 9mm bullets start)
It also tends to cost more and has what looks like a more failure prone bullet profile.
Interesting how some say the shotgun is not effective,
Deer have similar Mass-Wieght-Density as a human
And how many deer have been put on the dinner table within 75 yards with a shotgun
Do all the Ballistic Jells you want, Then go hunting with 00 buck or a 300 grain slug
I don’t think anybody is saying the terminal ballistics of a shotgun are not effective.
But people are pointing out that:
A reliable semi auto shotgun is objectively more ‘effective’ than a pump
An AR type rifle is shorter, lighter, higher capacity, less recoil/faster to shoot, faster to reload, same general terminal effectiveness although it might fall short if you force a “1 hit vs 1 hit” comparison
There is absolutely nothing ‘wrong’ with a reliable shotgun that you are comfortable and proficient with, be it pump or semi, 12 or 20.
But I’ll wager that if you took someone equally proficient with an AR…bearing min mind AR proficiency is probably easier to acquire that pump shotgun…and faced them off with a pump shogun…simulated/simunitions/whatever…the AR wielder is generally going to ‘win’.
This is why so many police departments, where able/politically allowed, have gone to patrol rifles over shotguns and why militaries of the world pretty much do not ever intentionally use shotguns in combat yet intermediate cartridge rifles are pretty much THE standard.
FWIW, as I am clearly team “AR is better [for most]”…I work remotely at home (always carrying a pistol on me of course) and the quick safe a few feet from my desk contains…a shotgun. Semi auto, red dot, cruiser-ready with critical defense 00.
I recently pattern tested a dozen or so different 12ga. rounds through my Maverick at 25 yds. At this distance the groups, baring one or two outlier pellets, were all within a diameter of from 2 - 5 inches. Unless you have a REALLY big house distribution isn’t going to make much difference (unless the baddies are holding hands). The rounds I tested included 1 1/2" minis, 2 3/4" standards, and 3" magnum loads.
They don’t feed at all unless you install the small hard rubber wedge in the breech. Without the wedge they just fall out instead of feeding into the chamber. With the wedge they feed fine. However, with the wedge in place you can only cycle the shorties. Easy to put the wedge in and out.
Brownells has them in stock at the moment. I’m not in the market for a pump gun but if I was the 590s would probably be on my list. Was looking into shotgun ammo thanks to my upcoming acquisition and noticed that the federal mini shell slugs seem to perform pretty well though not in the semi auto I will be getting.
I kind of followed Lucky Gunner and elected to go with the shotgun for my home defense platform, with my back up being my bedside handgun. Shotguns generally have immediate one shot effects on subjects. I’ve since learned via TFB’s James Reeves, that AR use is associated with poor outcomes in court proceedings for civilians who use them in self-defense situations. “Why did he/she need an AR?” A lot of jurors don’t seem to realize that police also need them, and that anything police will face, will also be things civilians also potentially face and so might need the same too.
Shotguns and ARs are both quite effective, and so from a tactical perspective I don’t think either choice would a “wrong” answer.
That may be true in some places with anti self defense prosecutors and juries. Though it would be easy to find expert witnesses who can show that most semi auto rifles used for self defense are less likely to over penetrate both criminals and especially walls and therefore are a very good choice for someone who is concerned about keeping their family and neighbors safer if they are forced to defend themselves from an attack.
Though I agree that semi auto rifles and shotguns can both be effective self defense tools.
Since I don’t know what kind of prosecutor I would face if I ever did have to use a weapon in defense of the home, I’ve just decided to head that potential avenue of questions off. My neck of the woods is purple politically, which I like, but that also means that there may be potential jurors, and prosecutors who would ask of me (though not police oddly) “why does he think he needs an AR?”
I’m also sure there are no shortage of expert witnesses who would say exactly what you are saying. I also know that some jurors may have very negative feelings about the AR platform for a variety of reasons, but that distaste doesn’t often extend to things like shotguns, and lever or bolt guns. So my approach is to just attempt to eliminate that issue all together.
If I lived in a place that had much higher crime, more frequent home invasions etc, I would alter my home defense long gun choice for sure.
I do have an AR by my shotgun on the off chance my property is invaded by a Nazi Sasquatch Biker gang. Which is certainly the next most likely threat I face living out in the sticks.
Semi autos can vary a bit, too. Gas vs inertia, weight of the gun, what kind of shells you train with…etc. Training with a lightweight inertia gun shooting buckshot at the range (to mimic defense use) would seem to take a toll on anyone vs the same shot count training with a 556 AR or a pistol