AR-15 Taken to Protest at the courthouse of Rittenhouse Trial

“If he didn’t break the law, we should change the law”.
LOL why even bother having a law, just take the word of the Great Leader for it! So progressive.

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Hence the fulfillment of Proverbs 17:28

There’s also that verse that says “You can’t fix stupid”… Elza 12:16

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I didn’t realize that. Does Wisconsin have laws that require retreat prior to shooting? I assume they do and the fact the Kyle initially tried to run away fulfilled any such obligations.

This footnote under 939.48(6) about a decision about a line of questioning on the Wisconsin State Legislature states that there is no duty to retreat.

I’m not a lawyer so I can’t really say for sure, but that seems like a reasonably authoritative source:

While there is no statutory duty to retreat, whether the opportunity to retreat was available goes to whether the defendant reasonably believed the force used was necessary to prevent an interference with his or her person. A jury instruction to that effect was proper. State v. Wenger, 225 Wis. 2d 495, 593 N.W.2d 467 (Ct. App. 1999), 98-1739.

So, no duty to retreat unless he had engaged in fighting with Rosenbaum. The prosecution tried to say that he had pointed his gun at Rosenbaum, but did not charge him with a violation of 941.20. which he would have been guilty of if he had actually pointed his gun at anyone intentionally, which could have been used to remove his privilege of self-defense, which is where he would have had to regain it by retreating.

Kyle attempted to retreat without any duty do do so under the law. He pointed his gun at Rosenbaum after he was being chased, but the law provides him that privilege under the circumstances by 939.48 (1)

At least that’s my layperson interpretation.

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If you are talking about the protesters who were being escorted by the people carrying AR-15s I found the protesters being hypocritical of there protest, the media personal did not even call them out on that,but they were put on camera I thought
I was the only one that picked up on that

How about the politicians throwing police under the bus? Oh no we don’t see that.

Elza1 I’m thinking you were never the police and if so where ?cause you have no clue of real policing

@RicG You talk what you don’t know… I was a cop 45 years ago. I know REAL policing better than most today. As for the politicians throwing the police under the bus… again you don’t know what you talk. Police are sworn (to the Constitution)officials. They are SWORN officers until they are fired, quit or retire. They don’t have to obey the orders of politicians. If the politicians tried to discipline them the unions would fight the battles… I will guarantee you they did not leave their families unprotected. And, as a police officer, I would NEVER have left people defenseless. So go blow your smoke at some one else.

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They weren’t protestors- they were rioters, looters and would-be murders.

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Only The “Mayor, has the power to ask the Governor to declare a state of Emergency for Multnomah County” in a request to the governing body of Multnomah County. The Politicians are the problem not the Police.

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Haha 45 years ago you are so out of touch,I suggest you talk to some LEO’S from now a days also you don’t mention what department you were from you must had a cushy job .Sorry not blowing smoke either cause I’ve been there and done that ,I understand the protect life and property but how many protest have you actual done? And if you continue being vague with your answers that tells me you are a phony

What he was politely trying to tell you is that it is none of your business and he doesn’t care what you think.

So what is your pedigree with proof you you actually did it other then you just saying so. :thinking:

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If you are responding to me, I’m speaking of my career with Chicago PD and Co workers getting hurt in protest, of course I’m going to respond when people are going to call police cowards, We never ran from gun fire but towards it, how many people do that. So with that said most recently Ella French RIP responded to a camera (Shot Spotter). Feel free to look her up.

We all know about Officer French! I am as pro Law Enforcement as any one here but there are many areas of our country where the Police have not acted in their Constitutional manner and too many are enforcing political mandates instead of law. Fortunately I don’t live in such an area.
I think you should have used your first post to introduce yourself instead of attacking others.

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Thanks for your input @BRUCE26, I appreciate it. As for @RicG-- Chicago police… nuff said. If he wasn’t so rude and arrogant I might have dialoged with him-- but he’s not worth any more of my time.

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" Self-Defense

Wisconsin is a Castle Doctrine state. There is no duty to retreat,"

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/wi-gun-laws/

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I’m reminded of one of my favorite movies, Red Dawn. Most know the story. When the adults fail to act, the politicians not only failed to act, but seem to sympathize with the enemy, the police are helpless to act, the young kids came in to do what the adults failed to do. This is a great movie. It was strictly for entertainment in ‘84, in 2020 it became prophetic.

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Unfortunately it felt like and attack on the police so yes I took it personal, all I’m seeing is all over the nation the police are getting a bum rap it doesn’t matter who I am , but what these officer are going thru now a days alot a respect to the ones that are still trying to do a good job ,yes protect your families and yourself because there are less police or people that want to do the job anymore, and not because they are cowards but because they do there job and they are wrong !!! Please all stay safe .

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Thank you. You and yours also. :us:

I’ve known too many in law enforcement to ever say they failed to do their job. They are true hero’s. It’s the politicians that try appease the wrong element of society that keep law enforcement from doing their jobs, and it’s them that should be held accountable for all the lives senselessly lost! If the politicians had not tied the hands of law enforcement this incident would never have happened!

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