I wonder what kind of head medicine this one was on?
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Add to this all things evil and perverse becoming accepted and glorified. what is good and moral now being evil. No wonder the kids are confused and angry. Kids need and expect discipline, they want to know what the boundaries are. The boundaries today are donāt follow the Good Book.
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Iām not sure if this incident can be directly related to the horrendous government response to Covid. More than a few kids and adults seemed to be getting more unhinged well before those events. Probably more than a bit of that had to do with the ever increasingly selective economic prosperity our nation has been dealing with. And probably also partly due to accidental toxic chemical exposures from our modern manufacturing processes as well as intentional exposures from the pharmaceutical industry.
But I do agree that the increased level of government insanity during the COVID incident is going to directly lead to even more unhinged behaviors. We are just beginning to see the true costs of those policies which are likely to reverberate for decades to come.
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Also the fact that schools are mostly gun free zones means that there is no one to stop them.
And the fact that this administration has made it wrong to stop a thug. stop a killer or a thug and you will be the one to pay the price.
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I donāt know that Biden has passed any laws directly making it illegal for citizens to stop criminals? He and the other anti self defense politicians have certainly been trying their best to disarm us so we are far less capable of defending ourselves and others from the criminals. They are probably perfectly fine with us asking the violent criminals to please not hurt us. As long as we do it nicely and ask what their preferred pronouns are first.
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I didnāt say that biden passed any laws, but he is trying to pass ācommon sense gun lawsā that would restrict lawful citizens the right to be able to defend themselves and others. Look what the dimwits in nyc tried to do to Daniel Perry. A man capable and willing to defend innocent riders on the train. He should have been hailed as a hero, and not tried for murder.
Good is evil and evil is good in todayās demoncratic circles.
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Iāve seen this graph before. I find all of these school shooting graphs to be a little bit suspect. For example, CNN says there have been 83 school shootings this year. And then they clarify that 27 were on college campuses. In my humble opinion, that makes it less than clear what we are talking about.
"All shootings at schools includes when a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time, or day of the week.
How many school shootings this year? Unlike other data sources, this information includes gang shootings, domestic violence, shootings at sports games and after hours school events, suicides, fights that escalate into shootings, and accidents." (emphasis in the original).
Iām a āsee the dataā kind of guy. Neither CNN nor this site make their data easy to get to. For this site, you can email them and ask them for the data if you explain how you are going to use it.
How to explain the spike in data? Well, Iād love to play with that data. From my perspective, without the raw data, itās merely speculation as to what caused the numbers to go up. My first question is ādid they change their methodology?ā My second question is ādid some reporting agency from when they draw their data change their methodology or practices?ā Did more data become readily available?
From their methodology page, āThere still is not a consensus for what actually defines a school shooting to serve as the inclusion/exclusion criteria across the different datasets.ā Hmmm.
Donāt get me wrong, I wouldnāt want a gun brandished at my kidsā schools. I donāt want after hours shootings there either. But from my perspective (YMMV), itās not the same as a school shooting if a gun is pointed at someone after hours unrelated to any school activity.
Perhaps I am cynical that I donāt take this kind of thing at face value.
Also, letās just take their number of 267 victims fatal and wounded in 2024. In 2024 there were 52,920,000 students in K-12 public schools (source). We donāt have data for private school enrollment for any year after 2021 (during which time significant numbers left public schools for private schools and homeschools), but in 2021 there were 4,700,000 kids in private K-12 schools (source). Also, there were more than 3,800,000 teachers in public schools in 2024 (source). I couldnāt easily find a source on private school teachers nor do I have a source for non-teaching staff at public schools. So for round numbers, there were more than 61,420,000 students and teachers at Americaās public and private schools. The 267 victims (which could actually include non-students and non-staff) comprise 0.0004% of the population.
If we had a disease with a 0.0004% rate of infection, would we even be talking about it?
Iām not suggesting school violence is not a problem. And Iām not shooting down (bad pun) your post. I just think when we talk about these tragedies, we have to objectively look at actually how serious the problem is.
School shootings, while anecdotally attention getting and heart breaking, are a statistical rarity.
Yes. We need to do what we can to prevent them. Iām not suggesting otherwise.
Sorry to all for the wordy post.
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@Sinbad You are correct in saying these things are tragedies. We all know about them because they make for great news (if it bleeds it leads) and is also providing the lefty anti-2a crowd with a chance to once again pull up their podium. But, as a former college stats teacher, I appreciate your reminder that before we get all wound around news blurbs, letās see the real numbers. Stats donāt lie, but liars can use stats to support their looney agendas. As I liked to remind the students, you better make sure you know who is publishing anything and what their stake is in the game. That often leads me to toss the premise.
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Their policy is to let no tragedy go to waste, not being used to further their agenda!
They will try to capitalize on any misery including those of their own making.
The hight of hypocrisy.
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I saw more on this story this afternoon. What a sh$tshow! The girl had been in therapy for years, parents married and divorced each other 3 times since she was born. Custody has been contested nearly constantly, meaning she had rarely had a stable home life.
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For such an unstable household, and if the firearm was within the house, unsecured, then the parents should be held accountable as well. But letās see where the investigation leads to.
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Sad Really but may actually be true.
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Not to mention, many of these āDisarm the Protectorā laws are State and Local Laws not Federal.
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We will most likely never know. Seems to be the norm though. When big pharm and doctors are involved the truth becomes blurred. HIPPA laws and all you know.
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I think it is a very good idea to secure firearms in homes where children are present. At least until the children prove they can responsible handle access to those tools. I also could agree that if the parents were aware that this girl was a threat to herself and others and didnāt take efforts to prevent her from accessing a firearm they might be able to be held accountable as well. Maybe for child endangerment or perhaps civilly by the victims families.
But if this girl took her parents unsecured car and ran over a bunch of students getting off the bus at school how many people would be calling for the parents to be criminally charged? How many parents have been charged with manslaughter because their kids took the family vehicle and got in a deadly car accident? How many parents here lock the keys to their cars or their kitchen knives, etc. in the safe when they are not in use? Why should a firearm be treated differently by the criminal system from any other tool put to violent or negligent use?
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One of my dadās favorite things to say was:
There are liars, damned liars and statistics.
As my stat teacher said: if you donāt like the outcome, take another survey (sample).
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I had a couple semesters of stats in college and then a research course that had some stats in graduate school. Not my favorite thing, and by no means an expert, but enjoyable on some level. And, interestingly enough, I do pull those class notes out on occasion and use them.
My college stats teacher always told us to critique the sample.
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Agree 100% on securing firearms within the context of knowing your kids. I remember being at the range with a friend who used to be naval aviator. I asked him how he secured his firearms from his kids. His response? My kids are old enough that I want them to have access if they need them.
I think the biggest issue here is being aware of where your kids are in life and being honest about it. If I ever thought my kids were gonna use my firearms for evil to themselves or others, I would secure the firearms or remove them from my home completely.
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I tried my hand at selling Real Estate in the late 70ās. Failed miserably. One thing that I was taught when setting a market value was to lie with statistics. Pick and choose until you get the results that you want.
Quite true 
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Seems that is the trend these days. Accuse the parents of a crime every time kiddo messes up, that is unless kiddo happens to be a gang member in the South Side of Chicago or Compton, then the parent and the kid are both victims.
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