Whether you believe Derek should be in jail or not, the fact is he was not a murderer. An ignorant Red-neck SOB, yeah. But not a murderer. George Floyd on the other hand was a career criminal who would probably have bought it sooner or later. Especially with the company he was keeping.
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I hadn’t read that before. Out of mere curiosity, as I don’t really care one way or the other, nor do I see it as relevant, do you have a source corroborating that?
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Like him or not, terrible history or not, The police CAN NOT just injure of kill people in the name arrest.
We, all of us, are innocent until proven guilty. Comply or die just isn’t acceptable in this case.
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Chauvin has a right to appeal his verdict and sentence, just as Floyd had a right to life and a fair trial by a jury of his peers.
If we’re going to be all in for our rights protected in the second amendment, we need to be all in for everyone’s rights, no matter what kind of person they may be. Rights are all or nothing, and we need to protect every one of them, for everyone, with the same zeal.
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Given Floyd injected himself with a fatal doze of phentanyl, I cannot say, beyond reasonable doubt, if Chovin caused his death, or the drugs did. I agree that police, once they arrest a suspect alive MUST book him into a jail alive. I also agree that conditions of Chovin’s trial made it unfair.
Re-try Chovin. Regardless of outcome, every mural of Floyd needs to be sandblasted, or painted over with something decent, a parrot, a horse for example, and every statue of him broken, abd statue of Christopher Columbus put up instead.
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You do understand that you are unable to aphyxiate someone by pressing your knee against the side of their neck, right? IIRCC, the full video of his apprehension showed he was complaining about not being able to breathe as they were putting him into the police vehicle. They then moved him out of the vehicle and put him on his side. He was trying to get-up and they subdued him while awaiting an ambulance.
He was a potential danger to himself and others as he was not complying with police commands to remain still. Putting someone on their side that is ODing, and keeping them there, is the safest for that person. Otherwise, like Jimmy Hendrix laying on his back, one can aphyxiate on one’s own vomit.
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I beg to differ, I can certainly kill you with my knee on your neck by cutting off the blood flow to the brain. After all of this happened many of us in the martial arts world did a lot of tests and proved, you can rather easily put the right pressure on a person.
The rest I 100% agree with.
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He supposedly died of aphyiation according to reports in the news media citing the coroner’s report. Your statement is not arguing that one can be aphyiated by pressing on the side of the neck.
Did his own actions lead to his death? Sorry, almost forgot about this case.
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An independent review of findings and the coroner’s conclusions is necessary! I would not be surprized to find this coroner biased or under severe pressure, or even in fear at the time of the event.
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To clarify, it’s my opinion/interpretation. Any LEO who would put a knee on a man’s neck is IMHO ignorant of the injury he could cause and simply uncaring that he is causing it. Compounded by the fact that he is white would indicate at least from the videos that he was in fact a red-neck. I don’t think an intelligent, clear-thinking white person would do that. Restrain the individual, yes, but put your knee on his neck and prevent him from breathing… um, no.
100% I’d opt for a statue of John Wayne myself.
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Wow…. Unreal. Being “ignorant”, regardless of race is not being a “red neck”. You’ve got some issues there.
That is the technique taught to restrain a person ODing to prevent them from choking on their vomit and to keep them still, so as to not hurt self and others. It does not kill.
Coroner’s report stated he died of asphyxiation, which cannot occur by pressing on the side of the neck.
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I stated for all to read, “…it’s MY opinion/interpretation.”
I understand and acknowledge your view. But to me, he was a red-neck. Btw, if it could be proven that he is in fact a red-neck it could technically help his appeal.
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Your original post did not state that was your opinion. Regardless, calling someone a “red neck”, the way you defined it is not only wrong, but quite rude. “Ignorant, white” people are not “red necks”. In any group of people, grouped by education, socio-economics, there are those that are “ignorant”, those that are not. It reflects very poorly on you to use such language.
You then compound that with your last post that his being a red neck is a positive defense. I am completely baffled by that statement, but then I don’t have your extremist point of view about white people, nor any other race.
I have been called a red neck, too, which I found quite amusing as I definitely do not fit that descriptive using any definition I am aware of.
I have more college degrees than I know what to do with and I consider myself a redneck, or at least what my definition of a redneck is. I don’t think education or intelligence have anything whatsoever to do with being a redneck.
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Exactly my point. Funny video, too. Had me LMAO.
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Is that the technique taught to LEOs? The position he was in on his chest and with pressure on his neck didn’t look anything like what my EMT training instructed for a person potentially suffering from asphyxiation or aspiration. I was taught to control the head and avoid any pressure or constriction on the neck. Even a buttoned shirt collar was considered a potential impediment to breathing and circulation.
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According to the stories at the time, it was stated that it was taught to the police as a way to safely restrict a person’s movement, so the person does not get up and hurt self/others. I have no personal knowledge on the topic.
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I can’t speak to cause of death or LEO training.
I don’t have any significant problems with the initial use of force utilized to restrain Mr. Floyd if he was a legitimate suspect and clearly not complying with LEO commands. I don’t remember seeing any video of the start of the situation so can’t judge that part of the incident.
But I was very uncomfortable watching the video as the restraint dragged on well after the resistance had stopped. It appeared to me that he became unresponsive and the threat was over. It also appeared to me that some of the other LEOs were uncomfortable with the situation as well. It would have been relatively easy to maintain control while allowing another officer to check his vitals. But Mr Chauvin waved the other officers away several times if I remember correctly.
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