A 17-year-old girl allegedly gained control of a sheriff’s deputy’s gun and committed suicide with itt

Well I suspect there are a lot of civilians around here who know this. I’ve been behind LEOs on several occasions and felt that I have had the opening to get their weapon if I wanted to. Knowing how the holster works it wouldn’t be all that difficult to disengage it pretty quickly from behind if the deputy was focused on other things.

This teen may have had an LEO in the family or watched some TikTok video by some gang members on how to disarm an LEO. The teen likely came at the LEO from behind or at least the side. Maybe they just got lucky and managed to push the right things in the right way during the struggle?

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I imagine all LE agencies are now reviewing their policies
on dealing with the public in their own lobbies,
their open carry methods,
holsters, etc.

On a personal note, even at home, I carry concealed.

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Yes Sir, ‘Ship Happens’ I know
Some DO research how they wish to die
That’s proven also
But an LE has to be sharp and KNOW to keep a
distance between themselves and the public
I DID, People tried to get close to me working and
you take measures to avoid physical contact.
The article said he ‘Opened the door for this person’
That’s it, then she went bat shite crazy and disarmed him?
what? while he was balancing a donut and coffee?
No Sir, I am sorry, I disagree. You HAVE a gun, for protection correct.
Rule #1: YOU PROTECT THAT GUN.
I know some LEO’s ‘USE’ to walk around ‘Unsnapped’
I am pretty sure the (2) cops who were attacked by migrants in NYC were
locked in and they didn’t lose their firearms or they would have reported
(2) dead cops instead of just beat up.
If the thinking she was just an upset kid went through his brain
maybe he should have thought I better be cautious with this one.
Everybody makes mistakes, we’re human. .but with a Firearm mistakes happen
and Innocents die.
People tried to get close to be, behind me, (distract w/ someone in front)
My internal antenna went up, Hand on the gun ready to deploy.
In all the shite I’ve been through I never lost control
of my weapon.

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Yes Sir

[quote=“BeanCounter, post:22, topic:101623”]
I imagine all LE agencies are now reviewing their policies
on dealing with the public in their own lobbies,
their open carry methods,
[/quote]I think they already are doing so.
My Substation is LOCKED now 24/7
You have to be buzzed in
(I’m sure after you are scrutinized and checked
for obvious signs of weapons, Intoxication etc.
Cop Shops NEVER did that except in the middle of the 12-8 shifts.
Things and times are changing and everyone has to adjust

I don’t want to dominate the conversation here I’m sorry if I did.
But we need to be careful these days. The Cop that wanted to help me the other
day was ON IT!. Man, He was Impressive! I dug him! Plus Plus!
I hope they all are ‘Getting it’ like this Brother.
He made me feel safe.
He was just doing his job
Not swaggering, intimidating, or bullying.
He kept his distance yet I felt he was there for me (does that make sense?)

I love Cops! God Bless 'em!

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A story was told at one of my training classes (I can’t find the source) where a female cop had her gun taken away. The perp couldn’t get the gun out of the holster due to the retention, but he got a hold of the gun. He picked the officer up by the gun still stuck in the holster and swung her around until the holster broke. Then shot and killed her.

Agreed with the comments above about how tragic this situation is. My family has been touched by suicide (an immediate relative of my father’s). He had made multiple attempts/threats over the years with my father talking him off the ledge, taking him to get treated to reverse what he did, etc. Finally, a coworker went to his home one day when he didn’t show up for work. I shudder to think what he found. It was a closed casket funeral.

I feel for this officer. I feel for the girl’s family. What a tragedy.

What a broken, messed up world we live in…

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I have definitely seen LEOs like this. Though I have also seen LEOs, especially off duty but also on, that don’t seem to be so observant of their surroundings and protective of their space. Maybe they assess me as a none threat and relax their guard. But I have also seen them in busy convenience stores with several people in easy reach of their weapon and not blading or covering to make access harder.

Granted around here the threat level is lower than many places. Though I have seen it happen on occasion in SoCal as well where everyone should be on alert at all times. I think some LEOs feel that most people wouldn’t even think of risking going for their weapon and or they assume the retention system will give them time to respond if they do.

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We had a case kinda like this here in Salt Lake, guy grabbed a cops gun in an interrogation aaa interview room. They wrestled around in the room until another cop came in and shot the guy in the head, point blank…
Couldn’t find the original article but here’s the follow up

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Recently our state tried to push a “law” that would prevent church goers from carrying…I started a security team a few years back as we had credible threats from the ex husband of one of our members. Our church is up by a mountain lake that sees thousands of visitors in the summer…and probably half our congregation carries. We’re also in a large tent in the summer near the lake. Unfortunately we lost Colorado in 2010 when a so-called “conservative” rode in on his donkey and split the governor’s race vote. We’re now in the fight of our state’s life against a bunch of leftists trying to ultimately disarm this beautiful state of Colorado…add to that the incrementally weakened “justice system” and what do we get? Maybe another Cuba?

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Welcome back Denise!
The ‘Four Corners’ States have all been hit hard by Wokeism and Socialist/Marxist leaning POS’s
We have people in orriface who believe WE the People can’t be trusted w/ Guns and only They
should have guns (shuddering inside!)
You guy’s are getting hit w/ our friendly Newcomers from the South as well as the rest of us
so keeping your guns is a no-brainer.
Churches are a Targetnow, so good for you and your Security force. Peace.
Keep the Faith!

WWG1WGA

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Hey. Chill on the 4 corners thing my brother. Certainly Colorado and New Mexico have soiled their drawers on 2A stuff but we here in the upper left corner are fighting and at present holding our own…
For the record, the biggest church around here, LDS, has a no gun ;wink ;wink ;nood; policy.

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Yeah you guy’s are doing just Marvy amirite!
(we are all doing the ‘Wink wink, Nod nod’ policy)

NO GUNS FOR YOU!

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AZ is holding its own as well, thanks in large part to the AZCDL, though we are only a couple of votes away at the moment from future ignorant and ineffective restrictions.

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I wish we were closer Brother…

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He needs help.
Just four months ago

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Ted44.

With history of mass casualties at these vulnerable children’ schools, did they allow “CCW/carrying” there, within campus as SD protection?

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Yes, they approved us “CWP/carrying” while patrolling the halls.

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Thank you. That’s interesting. A layer of safety. Can’t help but think – that would also deter as well as defend.

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Anyone can do basic research online and identify the possible ways to disengage any retention devices on any holster. It could also be that they routinely leave the top hood open and so reduce the holster to a level 1 or 2. Also, as stated in the comments on the original article, office staff and plainclothes units often don’t have any active retention other than a trigger guard click fit on the holster. It’s possible and should prompt a review of equipment for the department as well as more training and practice on weapon retention.

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While everything you say is true Brother and people (i.e: soldiers an LE’s)
DO break the rules. This one instance was a Sherriff (Deputy)
Not plain wrapper or desk pogue. When there is no threat present and
you are in your house you. Lock-up. Weapon in the holster, locked in, button engaged, Hoop up. This is for the Officers safety as proven here. He could have been easily killed weren’t for this poor soul intending to off herself.
It sounds to me the weapon wasn’t locked in.
It matters not here, kids dead, can’t bring her back
It’s like someone who steps out in front of a car or jumps out a window.
One way or another they will succeed. It’s unfortunate an Innocent Cop may bear the guilt for this action.
I’m not blaming this Sherriff, If you read my shite I am Pro Cop and Military.
But if you are Not in danger, racing to a call, In a firefight you secure your weapon. Simple as that.
Like the idiot Fed who ‘danced’ and his weapon became unholstered…well he was a Feebie, so nuff said.
We are resposible (We who are Gunners) for those bullets in our weapons and where they go when they leave the barrel. We can’t say whoop’s, or I’m sorry—some Innocent can eat that bullet. I’m not preaching this is who I am.
I’ve seen accidental ‘AD’s’ in convoy’s, barracks at ranges and almost a recipient of one of two. I had busy Angels around me—I think one drank! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Poor girl.
Ships happen, I get that, but being careful doesn’t cost us anything.

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